Beating versus correcting, teaching and modeling correct behavior. They are two completely different methods. But the point is that parents need to do something to instill in their offspring civil, courteous, polite, respectful behavior. Thanks be to God that there are more parents still doing the right things than not. God help us when the balance shifts.
I'm not fond of the beating part, but truly believe in the "go cut a switch" philosophy - with required apologies (appropriate shaming for bad behavior) and restitution (fixing what you broke or paying out of your allowance or lawn mowing cash, etc.) when that is workable.
Children need to have consequences for their behavior - both good and bad.
Severe beatings is never warranted. But everyone has a different idea of what constitutes a "beating." Some think three or four good whacks delivered to the rear is a "beating," others do not. The Bible says more than just "spare the rod and spoil the child." It says: "He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him diligently." (Proverbs 13:24) And for those who falsely believe the "rod" refers to discipline and not a physical rod, there is this: "You shall beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from Sheol." (Proverbs 23:14) People think they know better than God how to rear their children, especially liberal progressives. No one knows us better than our Heavenly Father! --Fred in AZ
I think it's a mix of the government wanting to take over so they can "mold the young citizens correctly" and the parents willingly giving over control because they don't want to deal with discipline (corporal or otherwise). A lot of parents would prefer to send their kids to public school, after school classes, summer camps, and Sunday school instead of spending some actual time with their kids. Then they complain that these others haven't taught their children properly about God, sex, life lessons, etc. (And no, I'm not saying summer camps or Sunday school are bad, I just mean that parents hand over their children and expect others to do all the parenting).
What is worse is that now we have irresponsible undisciplined parents "raising" irresponsible undisciplined mean little brats who know that the liberal progressives in the schools and government at all levels will protect them.
Parenting is another 'lost skill' and the traditional intact family is another 'lost value' in our dumbed down secular society.
My advice for parents today would be to get good with God, and make whatever sacrifices necessary to homeschool your children. If at all possible, try to move 'back to America' to areas such as the American Redoubt. Join like-minded God-fearing people with traditional American values. Yes, such places exist. Montana Guy
used to be that a kid knew the difference between right and wrong by the age of five...now we have two generations of people who never got the message. instead they want rewards for just participating in something and question why they should be punished or disciplined. when i got whooped with the willow switch as a kid i knew exactly what the reason for it was and when i was thanked or rewarded for exceptionally good deeds, i knew what being proud of myself was.
There are still plenty of good parents around-last year, every single trick-or-treater that came to the door said "thank you"-they didn't learn that by osmosis. I live near a college, and the overwhelming majority of the college crowd I meet( I work within a college campus, and shop at some places-used bookstores mostly- that cater mostly to students, and a lot of local businesses hire them)are very polite and friendly.The worst thing I could say is that some of them seem distracted(a few "death by ipod" cases where a student walks out in front of a car while listening to an ipod, or on the phone). Still plenty of good people in the world.
I raised my son to say please, thank you, ma'am, sir and give respect where respect is due, treat others the way you want to be treated. Yes, he got spanked when he did wrong and he knew why. I love my 18yr old and am proud of the young man he is.
Absolutely, there is some truth to it! That is not the whole story though.
ReplyDeleteBeating versus correcting, teaching and modeling correct behavior. They are two completely different methods. But the point is that parents need to do something to instill in their offspring civil, courteous, polite, respectful behavior. Thanks be to God that there are more parents still doing the right things than not. God help us when the balance shifts.
ReplyDeleteI'm not fond of the beating part, but truly believe in the "go cut a switch" philosophy - with required apologies (appropriate shaming for bad behavior) and restitution (fixing what you broke or paying out of your allowance or lawn mowing cash, etc.) when that is workable.
ReplyDeleteChildren need to have consequences for their behavior - both good and bad.
It's actually Biblical; the spare the rod, spoil the child concept.
DeleteSevere beatings is never warranted. But everyone has a different idea of what constitutes a "beating." Some think three or four good whacks delivered to the rear is a "beating," others do not. The Bible says more than just "spare the rod and spoil the child." It says: "He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him diligently." (Proverbs 13:24) And for those who falsely believe the "rod" refers to discipline and not a physical rod, there is this: "You shall beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from Sheol." (Proverbs 23:14) People think they know better than God how to rear their children, especially liberal progressives. No one knows us better than our Heavenly Father! --Fred in AZ
ReplyDeleteI think it's a mix of the government wanting to take over so they can "mold the young citizens correctly" and the parents willingly giving over control because they don't want to deal with discipline (corporal or otherwise). A lot of parents would prefer to send their kids to public school, after school classes, summer camps, and Sunday school instead of spending some actual time with their kids. Then they complain that these others haven't taught their children properly about God, sex, life lessons, etc. (And no, I'm not saying summer camps or Sunday school are bad, I just mean that parents hand over their children and expect others to do all the parenting).
ReplyDeleteKaryn, we think you are absolutely correct!
Delete--Fred & Deb in AZ
What is worse is that now we have irresponsible undisciplined parents "raising" irresponsible undisciplined mean little brats who know that the liberal progressives in the schools and government at all levels will protect them.
ReplyDeleteCarl
Parenting is another 'lost skill' and the traditional intact family is another 'lost value' in our dumbed down secular society.
ReplyDeleteMy advice for parents today would be to get good with God, and make whatever sacrifices necessary to homeschool your children. If at all possible, try to move 'back to America' to areas such as the American Redoubt. Join like-minded God-fearing people with traditional American values. Yes, such places exist.
Montana Guy
used to be that a kid knew the difference between right and wrong by the age of five...now we have two generations of people who never got the message. instead they want rewards for just participating in something and question why they should be punished or disciplined. when i got whooped with the willow switch as a kid i knew exactly what the reason for it was and when i was thanked or rewarded for exceptionally good deeds, i knew what being proud of myself was.
ReplyDeleteYou got it. There is the 'what's in it for me' mentality with very high expectations.
DeleteThere are still plenty of good parents around-last year, every single trick-or-treater that came to the door said "thank you"-they didn't learn that by osmosis. I live near a college, and the overwhelming majority of the college crowd I meet( I work within a college campus, and shop at some places-used bookstores mostly- that cater mostly to students, and a lot of local businesses hire them)are very polite and friendly.The worst thing I could say is that some of them seem distracted(a few "death by ipod" cases where a student walks out in front of a car while listening to an ipod, or on the phone). Still plenty of good people in the world.
ReplyDeleteI raised my son to say please, thank you, ma'am, sir and give respect where respect is due, treat others the way you want to be treated. Yes, he got spanked when he did wrong and he knew why. I love my 18yr old and am proud of the young man he is.
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