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Tuesday, June 18, 2019

Leaving California

A reader who lives in California sent this:


As a former Californian, it's easy to remember why we left...

28 comments:

  1. Patrice~ My family has been here in California since the mid 1840's. We will be leaving soon.

    Red

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  2. The sad part is they tend to take their political beliefs with them and end up voting in those same taxes in their new location. (I know not all, but many.)

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    1. I know. I knew a lady that left So.Cal. for Phoenix. She voted for every school tax, library tax and park tax that came up. Only what she didn't realize was that all that was increasing her property taxes, and Arizona has no Prop.13 equivalent. So after four years, she got her re-assessment and new tax bill, and is now paying more tax on 1200 sq.ft. than she did on 2500 sq. ft. in SBD county, CA. Absolutely clueless.

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    2. Agreed. "I love this new place, it's perfect...now change."

      Ugh!

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  3. This is a hard one for me Patrice. My family has also been there since the 1840's. My parents live on lovely land high in the Sierra Nevadas. I would love to go back there - yet struggle with what the state has become.

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  4. A 4th generation Californian here, I left 30 years ago and am now in Idaho, have a couple of neighbors that are also from Ca. very conservative and do not want more taxes. I remember when I was a kid, all of Californias ills were blamed on those darned (the nice word)vNew Yorkers that ruined everything.

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  5. The attitude in California is spreading like a cancer. Thing is, it spread TO California from the East Coast back in the 70's. If folks outside the state keep treating Liberal politics and illegal immigration like some remote, isolated thing, it'll be showing up in their neighborhoods soon enough.

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  6. We are on a "warpath" to leave. Since losing our home in the Camp Fire, the cost of Chico, CA has skyrocketed. We can't even afford to rent a new place, so the 5 of us are staying in a 30ft travel trailer. I never thought I wouldn't be able to live in my own home town. Among other things, the new gas tax increase of close to 6 cents, the restrictions on ammo purchases, the "poopageddon" spreading from SF, and PG&Es rolling blackouts just because they can, we have decided we can't tough it out anymore. Even Northern-most California isn't what it used to be.
    Lisa

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    1. Ouch. I'm sorry about the loss of your home. Now consider moving to Idaho.

      - Patrice

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    2. Idaho or Montana, those are our targets. Now all we need is a job to go to.

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  7. I am also a fourth generation Californian...or I should say former Californian. Our house closed in Northern Idaho yesterday. There are many conservative Californians that long to leave the state but can't for various reasons. People think that everyone is a liberal but that isn't true. We are just out voted and it will only get worse as each generation has more children and the schools teach liberal ideas. We will be leaving children here that are conservative but don't yet have children and so they don't realize how badly this state will infect and affect their children. We are praying they see the light.

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  8. I sent that photo to a friend of mine in Illinois. He sent back an email saying Illinois would easily replace California on that sign.

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  9. Look around, it is in your neighborhood. The nursing homes (nicer ones) that my parents were in (because they got fabulous insurance before it was no longer available) had a lot of Nigerian and Congolese nurses aids, janitors, etc. Nice people but not trained as you would hope and they had to be watched. Fortunately a nurse in my family familiar with the system and patient care was right there - and needed. I feel sorry for families without a resource like mine. This is in what was one of the whitest areas of the country you could find...thirty years ago. I am NOT making a "racist" statement, this is an observation only. Natokadn

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  10. I know it seems like Californian's move away and take their leftist ideas and ideals with them, but believe me, there are plenty of homegrown leftists all over. We had to move to Minnesota for a job and found ourselves in a "blue" state with nary a Californian is sight. They tax everything here! I've always shopped at thrift stores and in every other state I've ever been too, the non-profit thrift stores are sales tax free. Not in MN!! Unbelievable. We did happen to land in one of the few conservative pockets within the state, but the two female senators are awful and the most prominent congress member is a disgrace and embarrassment. I've said elsewhere, there are enough indoctrinated, homegrown leftists everywhere, without any input from California.

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  11. There should dumpsters at that sign so they can dump all their California baggage including most of their wealth. They come to the Redoubt with boat loads of money and drive property values out of reach of young natives.
    Montana Guy

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    1. That isn’t always true. We lived in a very rural part of California. We were forty five minutes to the nearest freeway. Our home sold for less than Kootenai county homes and we had to use most of our savings to stay debt free. It is just like the idea that everyone is liberal. Tons of us don’t have a boat load of money and we are not all crazies.

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    2. Anonymous, the median price of owner-occupied homes in California is an astounding (to native Montanans) $443,000. Most uprooting and moving are surely above median means with galactic (to native Montanans) savings and 401ks.

      I believe my comment applies to the vast majority of Californians. Eh?
      Montana Guy

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    3. There are really two Californias. The coast and the inland. The coast makes the majority of the money and has the expensive homes. For example my mother in laws former home was a small rancher in San Jose. It recently sold for 1.4 million. In the valley 90 miles away, the modest homes sell in the mid 200k to 300k. While looking for homes in Billings, Montana I found the houses to be comparable to the inland of California. Each state has variables that make each area different. My comment was to not brush a broad stroke across a state with 33 million people.

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  12. yup here in TX we have almost as many refugees from CA as we do from south america .

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  13. The taxes hurt, to be sure, for me and mine it is the regulation - the control - that the PRK mandates that sends us into orbit.

    The Sacramento morons are microns away from making immunizations mandatory for everyone.

    Apparently in this state property rights and the right to be secure in one’s person are entirely non-existent.

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  14. Well, I just have to enter the fray. Even in California, conservatives feel surrounded by Leftists! They are in the coastal areas, the large cities, the schools (definitely!), the courts, etc. The idiots under the Dome in Sacramento view themselves as the landed gentry, elected to civilize the dweebs who do the grunt work. Believe me, the reps from San Diego have nothing in common with the folks representing Redding or Shasta. Even worse, what were once great, exciting cities are being plundered in the name of fairness and sanctuary. LA, SF, and SD look like 3rd world countries that are unsafe and frightening. When I was a high schooler in the late 60's, early 70's-we could still walk Hollywood or Sunset after 10pm and hang out at the beach. Now? Watch for used needles, the mentally ill, and the Cartel from S. America.
    This craziness is all over the country: every state is being overwhelmed by social justice warriors and imported felons. If we don't stop people like AOC, Chuck Schumer, et al-we simply will become enclaves of folks ready to defend their castle. It makes me angry and very sad.
    -Stealth Spaniel

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  15. I came to S, Calif. 50 years ago and never stopped feeling like I had landed on Mars. I never have felt at home here. At this point in our lives we are too old to resettle and our children and grandchildren all live here. Even they now want to leave. One would do it in a heartbeat the others hold back. I keep telling them to go..now. Don't wait like we did and regret it. Now the Calif. law makers says we have a housing shortage so you are allowed and even encouraged to add on to or convert your garage to a place to live. And they have relaxed the laws and want everyone with enough land to add on to their home or build a 150 or larger house for others to live in. You are supposed to get permits still but.... Well who needs a law? Our street that used to be 95% occupied with homeowners is now 95% renters. With out of state owners. Even the renters redo their garages to house more families. I heard a commentator on Fox saying she found out from her Realtor friend the immigrants will house 3 or more families in one house. Welcome to the real world. That is not new anywhere. I think it is great if they can live together in harmony. It would not be easy to share a house like that. But if those families don't care about the property or want to be good neighbors that means 3 families ,..and often many more , living next to you that you can't feel want to be neighbors with you. It is sad. Also so I am sorry but so many only speak their native language { and when actually asked say they refuse to learn English} and you can't tell. If you talk to them they answer just enough that you are not sure they understood what you said or not. I don't want to embarrass anyone but at times you need to be able to communicate.And how are we supposed to get to be neighbors if we can't communicate?

    I now have three big rigs parked next door daily as three drive trucks for a living. This is a residential neighborhood but you can't tell it anymore. On each street here they have allowed people to buy land and use as truck rental property. Truckers pay so much a month to park their truck on the acre of flat land. All illegal but no one enforces the law here. I wish my neighbors would rent a space in one of them. :) Not only do we have three big rigs parked next door but 7 cars parked on the property too and 4 parked out front hanging into the street every day. Some of th trucks off th road are being torn apart to work on. This is typical now. When we moved here none of this was this way. No tagging , very quiet etc. It is very hard to get out of our driveway as we cannot see up or down the street anymore. The cars are parked legally so nothing can be done. Every block in this rural residential area has a huge truck yard now. Yes MANY of us are conservative but outnumbered by leftists who always outvote us. We go to the local meetings etc. and try to get our point across in a nice way but are not always welcome. The newly arrived stick to themselves and don't get involved in the community as less and less are here and more and more of them this whole area has changed to suit them. That is a natural thing. Business runs on keeping products available for the greatest number of people in an area.
    The difference between then and now is stark in so many ways. Plus more and more people moved here when L.A. housing rose telling us here that they came to get their kids out of the gangs. Guess what? They just brought the gangs here. That is when graffiti really took over for the first time. It is just plain sad. No one knows our countries history or cares anymore. How can it prevail? Only God knows the outcome but we can at least keep trying. Anna

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    1. Only in your 50's? Pu-leeze you are still very young, we moved from city to county in our mid 60's and never looked back.. Get out of Dodge while you can, get established and your family can follow, don't over think or work it, pack up and go. One massive yard sale for your unwanteds will go quick in that hood.

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  16. Hi Lisa,
    Some of my family is in nearby Smartsville (true story!) next to Grass Valley (another true story!), behind enemy lines.

    My sister and brother-in-law, both retired, want to sell the ranch to buy an RV, but they tell me every RV was snapped-up after the Paradise disaster.

    PS:
    "...poopagedden..."? Is this a reference to bureaucrats?

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  17. Not to mention Smartsville is now meth ridden.

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  18. I am sorry but I am the Anonymous who wrote the too long letter above. I said I came to California 50 years ago...I am not 50 but 72. :-))) I would flee if I could but I do not want to divorce my husband of almost 50 years. LOL Anyone who is thinking of moving out of California..or anywhere else.... DO it NOW. As your kids get older they settle in into their lives and you into your older years. My children stayed here and then got jobs HERE so moving is harder as a family. Once older it is harder to move as you are connected to doctors and insurance here there. Dream and DO now. Don't wait. PLEASE. have heard the story too many times of people waiting too long..like us...to move. Get debt free and move !! At least we have done half of that for years. :( :-))) Anna

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  19. Everyone just shut up. Give Ca to the illegal immigrants, move away and let them pay the taxes. When the Mexican Chicken flu hits, well move back in. Oh...you havent heard, china is now in mexico raising chickens for their clone army. There is no technology down their so they are underground building armored dog units.

    When the world collapses they will have all the chickens and dogs to eat



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