tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post5364128854274552992..comments2024-03-18T20:50:36.597-07:00Comments on Rural Revolution: Bugs mePatrice Lewishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06012022335047974670noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-39216381175312251832011-10-28T11:57:26.485-07:002011-10-28T11:57:26.485-07:00It signifies multi-culturalism to me, the very ide...It signifies multi-culturalism to me, the very ideology that will destroy this Grand Experiment. Put me down for a nope, I don't like it...Brian Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-69286543826404459452011-04-26T20:26:41.120-07:002011-04-26T20:26:41.120-07:00Well I'm not a Christian and I find them offen...Well I'm not a Christian and I find them offensive because it seems as if they are trying to continually shove their message down my throat...I also get annoyed when I see the "One Day At A Time" stickers from AA...I'm like, "What? Everyone has to know your business?" Very aggravating--it's like I should pat the person on the back for telling the world his or her beliefs. Guess what? Most people don't care! We just want to take care of our families, do our jobs and go home...=p<br /><br />I'm pagan and I believe in God/Goddess/All That Is--that's how I refer to the Creator. Some of what has been said here by Christians IS offensive to other religions. Why is it okay for you to basically say I'm going to go to H-E-double hockey sticks because I don't believe in God the way you do? I don't judge you or how you worship God so why are you judging me? I believe that Jesus lived and that he was a great teacher and man, but I also believe that he is not the only teacher who God sent here. There have been many masters throughout time and they have all come to help people find their way to be one again with God. True believers in any religion are usually beautiful people--the kind of people who inspire you to be better than what you think you are, you know? Anyway, that's just a very small part of what I believe. It doesn't make me less than any Christians, it just makes me different.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-38318179006616332202011-04-26T08:30:53.446-07:002011-04-26T08:30:53.446-07:00I keep recalling David Barton quoting Joseph Story...I keep recalling David Barton quoting Joseph Story: <br />"While today’s revisionists claim that the goal of the First Amendment was absolute religious pluralism, Joseph Story vehemently disagreed. He declared, 'The real object of the First Amendment was not to encourage, much less to advance Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity, but was to exclude all rivalry among Christian denominations.' According to Founder Joseph Story, Christianity, not pluralism, was the goal of the Founding Fathers in the First Amendment for only a Christian nation is tolerant and thus is truly pluralistic."<br />jcdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-24575222787043555282011-04-26T07:22:56.020-07:002011-04-26T07:22:56.020-07:00My favorite bumper sticker is "Visualize Whir...My favorite bumper sticker is "Visualize Whirled Peas". <br />As for the "Coexist", I find it offensive because it glorifies many of the things the Bible says is wrong, ie, homosexuality, idol worship, other gods.Tricianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-82856100252612118492011-04-25T13:56:04.438-07:002011-04-25T13:56:04.438-07:00These stickers have bothered me since I first saw ...These stickers have bothered me since I first saw them; I too couldn't quite put my finger on the reason. I certainly don't disagree that we should coexist across religions. <br /><br />I think one of the anonymouses hit it right on the head in saying, "I am tired of the godless preaching to me... "<br /><br />I think what bothers me about this is not so much the denotation as the connotation; that without someone restraining me I will turn rabidly homicidal on anyone not sharing my religion.<br /><br />That's a bit offensive.Paul Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00686592251537490404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-58300480460894817942011-04-25T11:24:03.872-07:002011-04-25T11:24:03.872-07:00The bumper stickers "bug" me, because to...The bumper stickers "bug" me, because to me, they are a "dig" at, or rebuttal to believers and GOD BLESS AMERICA bumper stickers....so as to say, YOU AREN'T COEXISTING or YOUR RELIGION ISN'T THE ONLY WAY....or IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE A BUMPER STICKER THAT SAYS GOD BLESS AMERICA....DON'T!<br />That's the message I get...plain and simple.<br />Not a message of love one another or acceptance at all.<br />Donna G.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-17640543788247509692011-04-25T09:54:47.493-07:002011-04-25T09:54:47.493-07:00That was always my opinion of the stickers that re...That was always my opinion of the stickers that read, "Visualize World Peace." My thought was always, "That's easier than actually working for it."<br /><br />Things of this sort - as with 99 44/100% of Liberals' ideals - would be workable ONLY if everyone were to cooperate. We already know that there are those whose sole aim is more power and influence over others. In the case of radical Muslims, they will stop at nothing - even killing innocent children - to achieve their ends. The head-in-the-cloud Liberals are these people's useful idiots. Karl Marx actually used that term for people such as these.Steve Herrhttp://www.docstoc.com/profile/newcreature52noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-85881449894183189882011-04-25T07:39:34.818-07:002011-04-25T07:39:34.818-07:00Bumper stickers like those are generally based on ...Bumper stickers like those are generally based on the "Liberal illusion" they make a liberal feel good... "I feel like I'm helping" when it really does nothing...an illusion or mirage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-59748498515340484342011-04-25T01:04:38.772-07:002011-04-25T01:04:38.772-07:00I agree. The first one is lame. There is no nation...I agree. The first one is lame. There is no nation (or individual) on earth that deserves God's blessing. God blesses whom He desires to bless, often long after they have stopped doing or seeking His will (insert the words, United States, here).<br />I used to scoff at the second one as well, until recently. If we do not coexist, what is the alternative? I suppose someone might remove the cross symbol and redesign the text to read: EVANGELIZE. Now that's a bumper sticker I might actually put on my car!Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-35238937962341055852011-04-25T01:00:41.665-07:002011-04-25T01:00:41.665-07:00Thanks Steve. just wanted you to know I appreciate...Thanks Steve. just wanted you to know I appreciated your civilised reply. Several thoughts have occurred to me with regard to the substance of your argument but this will take the present thread way off topic. I will try and post something on http://nutsandreasons.blogspot.com/ soon.quedulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09737971867539674984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-57912301962596536302011-04-24T13:59:23.564-07:002011-04-24T13:59:23.564-07:00@Prepared teacher:
I think, however that the vast...@Prepared teacher:<br /><br />I think, however that the vast majority of people with those stickers do not display them with the attitude to "accept everyone." The majority of those posting her ALREADY DO. Note my earlier post of the doctors who treat my kids and me.<br /><br />There is coming - already seen in the government and the MSM - a "tolerance" for absolutely every other view EXCEPT Judaism or Christianity. As an earlier post stated, we are to blame for the violence through the centuries (with the poster repeating the old saw of the Crusades and Inquisition.) As one reaised Catholic, and well familiar with the history of the Church - and well-versed in the Bible and what it teaches - I can say that the leaders of the Catholic church during that time were NOT Christian, but were merely using their authority to gain more power over people.<br /><br />True Christians are absolutely no treat to diversity and peaceful coexistence. The ones who are a danger are the ones who - like the phonies centuries ago - hide behind religious talk in an effort to spread their hate. If Terry Jones were really concerned about stopping the spread of Islam, his time would be better spent actually getting to know a Muslim, and dialoguing with him. Jones, the Wesboro people - let's not forget the KKK and Rev. Wright, Obama's pastor in Chicago - are doing nothing but spreading hate, and their religious talk is merely a convenient vehicle to do so.<br /><br />Ok. I'll step off my soapbox now. :)Steve Herrhttp://www.docstoc.com/profile/newcreature52noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-25326520173405234482011-04-24T12:48:52.488-07:002011-04-24T12:48:52.488-07:00They do not bother me, I see them as they are sayi...They do not bother me, I see them as they are saying the persons of this car accept that everyone has different beliefs and we all need to learn to accept the differences! America is a melting pot and has always been. Please remember that Jesus Christ talked and befriended all whether they believed in his teachings of not, he did not turn his nose up at them, he taught and hoped they would join him, and if they didn't then that was their choice and he never walked up to that person and was rude, mean, or hurt them. Treat thy neighbor as ye wish to be treated (no matter how they are). He LOVES US ALL, and we should love others as he does no matter what they believe, that is our way into heaven and joining Jesus Christ!Prepared teachernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-62302498877978877262011-04-24T11:22:55.781-07:002011-04-24T11:22:55.781-07:00Quedula, I find your posts quite gentle. I can on...Quedula, I find your posts quite gentle. I can only assume that some of the other posters have not gotten into discussions with hard-core "evangalistic" atheists. I have, much more so in the last couple of years when - at the suggestion of an atheist friend - I joined Facebook, and in the Mensa and Intertel groups found many determined (and vocal) atheists, although - as I stated earlier - we keep our debates civil, and remain friends.<br /><br />I have to say that it is virtually impossible to prove the existence or nonexistence of God. For the atheist, one cannot prove a negative, and for the theist, God - at least Jehovah - usually requires an initial step of faith. What we CAN, do, however, is look at the evidence and ask, "Which is the most reasonable?" Into that mix, I intended to offer small piece that I'd written, but it was too long to be accepted. I'll offer the high points here, but feel my elaborations made it much more compelling. :)<br /><br />It has to do with the mere fact of the universe. How did it get here?<br /><br />One possible explanation is that it just spontaneously boomed into existence, but that would violate one of the foundations of science that out of nothing, nothing comes.<br /><br />Possible explanation #2 is that the universe doesn't really exist, that it's just an illusion in our minds. This is disproved that we can predict the movements of the planets, or repeat the experiments of others. Predictablity indicates that the universe is not an illusion.<br /><br />#3 is that the univers didn't really have a "biggining," but is itself eternal. The Second Law of Thermodynamics, though shows us that things are running down, and the end of the universe is maximum entropy, or absolute zero.<br /><br />That leaves us with #4, that someONE or someTHING outside our dimension of reality exercised sufficient power to bring the universe into existence.<br /><br />I have shared this with many of my atheist friends, and to date none of them have refuted the reasoning, merely stated that they don't accept it, although none of them have ever given me any alternative explanations. You may not find the concept with no other explanation compelling, but I have far too often encountered people who consider belief in God to be a sign of mental illness or stupidity, when that is simply not the case.<br /><br />Peace, quedula.Steve Herrhttp://www.docstoc.com/profile/newcreature52noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-2944188060862041812011-04-24T10:06:32.974-07:002011-04-24T10:06:32.974-07:00I'm as conservative a Christian as any, and I ...I'm as conservative a Christian as any, and I truly wish that real, peaceful coexistence could happen, knowing that with our human sin nature, it never actually will. So I don't have a problem with the sentiment of the sticker, although I don't believe everybody's "truth" is equal. But, like the driver of that car, I also get tired of "God Bless America" stickers, although for a different reason: mainly because He has already blessed America tremendously, and He continues to do so, more than we deserve. I would much rather see a sticker that says "America Bless God".Breezy Point Momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11946514159733131280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-73723823148382631582011-04-24T08:12:52.554-07:002011-04-24T08:12:52.554-07:00One could equally ask Debbie; "on what FACTS ...One could equally ask Debbie; "on what FACTS is god based?". But I was not responsible for the wording, I merely used the sticker to show my general support for the campaign. <br /><br />As a theological noncognitivist I hold that the expressions "god exists"/"god doesn't exist" are indeterminable propositions to start with. The word "god" is a mere placeholder; one cannot get any further until one has decided what one is looking for or what one is looking to disprove.<br /><br />Incidentally, in what way am I a liar? I am continually surprised by the way so-called "Christians" find the need to resort to insults to bolster their arguments. It is the reverse of convincing.quedulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09737971867539674984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-60141745028487116292011-04-24T08:04:31.221-07:002011-04-24T08:04:31.221-07:00I think that what bugs me about these signs is tha...I think that what bugs me about these signs is that there is an underlying assumption that people should just "naturally" suddenly understand that they are wrong and start agreeing with whatever the person who posts the sign believes (which seems to be "I am superior because I don't have a spiritually based belief system"). <br /><br />Anyone who has a belief system does do so because he or she believes that "what I believe is the truth, everything else is not". If you didn't believe it was true, you'd find something else. Such a belief system doesn't have room for co-existence, because everything else is a lie.<br /><br />The religious leaders (who tend to be as much political leaders as spiritual) have a vested interest in rejecting "co-existence" both because that would mean surrendering their belief system as the correct way, and because that would mean giving up cushy positions of authority. This includes the leaders of most religious belief systems including the many flavors of Christianity (Inquisition, Crusades, conquest of the Americas, etc), the many faces of Islam (jihad anyone?) and even Aztec sun worship (these guys lost their struggle to own the souls of their populace). <br /><br />The signs are disrespectful of all belief systems (aside from the "co-existence" belief system). Just because a bunch of religious leaders got together and talked about peace doesn't mean that people are going to give up war. <br /><br />Most wars are motivated by greed, with religion being used as an excuse. The true reason of war is always to steal from others on a grand scale. Your country has something my country wants and we are going to steal it and pretend that our god blesses this action by claiming it is because you are evil people and don't deserve your good fortune. Sound familiar?<br /><br />I wouldn't be surprised if the "co-existence" movement didn't end up oppressing all religions in the name of "peace" attempting to force people to give up their belief systems because they "cause wars". <br /><br />And we'll still have war.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-51248762184106360852011-04-24T07:47:40.757-07:002011-04-24T07:47:40.757-07:00Oh my goodness, Debbie. Your response to quedula w...Oh my goodness, Debbie. Your response to quedula was one of condescension and personal flaming. That doesn't seem like contributing to a 'sensible conversation' either. Neither does accusing one of 'doing the devil's work.' Not very Christ-like. You could have simply pointed out why you disagree. <br /><br />I've seen those bumper stickers for years, and they never bothered me because I never gave them much thought. However, I like many of the insights put forth in this discussion. Some really opened my eyes to the deeper meaning behind such symbols. <br /><br />Thanks for opening the discussion, Patrice. I would have probably gone forever not thinking about the meaning of what is almost a ubiquitous sticker in my college town.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-12119909140556403502011-04-24T07:22:55.559-07:002011-04-24T07:22:55.559-07:00Quedula, I like your attitude. All too often, I&#...Quedula, I like your attitude. All too often, I've noticed the most "evangelistic" people for their religion I have met have been atheists. I have several friends who are atheists, and we have gotten into some pretty lively debates, but respect each other's right to hold a contrary opinion - even though I know I'm right. ;)<br /><br />The problem I have always had with that sticker is the implication that "religion" is the root of all the world's ills. Granted much evil has been done in the name of God, but true Christians understand we must each give his own account before God, and can therefore allow others to have their own views. Given our (Christians') understanding of what follows death for those who do not believe, we will do our best to bring each unbeliever around.<br /><br />Unfortunately, there are those who claim to be Christians who do not follow this reasoning, such as Terry Jones or the members of Westboro Baptist "Church"...or the Catholic church during the Dark Ages. Those and others have been a source of embarassment to true Christians who've been commanded to LOVE.<br /><br />Several years ago Johnny Hart - who did the "B.C." comic strip - came under fire for an Easter comic that had a menorah morph into a cross. People of the "Coexist" mentality saw an anti-Semetic message in the strip, but were silenced by an article by an Orthodox Jew who did NOT see anti-semetism, but Hart merely showing that his religion - Christianity - CAME OUT of Judaism. The writer felt quite safe in the United States BECAUSE of the Christian majority.<br /><br />And just to let MamaBear know that I practice what I preach, although I am a Christian who does not compromise on my views of what is True, my own doctor is an Orthodox Jew, and I have entrusted the health of my children to a Muslim doctor.<br /><br />As others have pointed out, it seems that it is always Christianity that is under fire in the media for being unwilling to "coexist," but the evidence overwhelmingly points instead to Islam.Steve Herrhttp://www.docstoc.com/profile/newcreature52noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-41596641401025574972011-04-24T07:09:58.205-07:002011-04-24T07:09:58.205-07:00"Probably no God?" Cute. On what "f..."Probably no God?" Cute. On what "facts" is that statement based? Quedula, you show everyone once again that your purpose is not to have a sensible conversation with doubts and disagreements. You seek only to disrupt and annoy. Typically, you claim to have a bumper sticker that's purpose is only to annoy those who believe in God. Where's the "tolerance" and co-existence in that? You're a progressive liberal and a liar, dear soul. You do the work of the Devil and are no doubt quite proud of yourself! How truly sad. --DebbieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-73390005497270867382011-04-24T06:48:41.595-07:002011-04-24T06:48:41.595-07:00When Christ sees these stickers, does he think, &q...When Christ sees these stickers, does he think, "Creepy, danger, stupid, crap, touchy feely hogwash?" Is He offended? Or does he think, "I meant love ALL your neighbors as yourself?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-6236482431358013282011-04-24T06:43:33.746-07:002011-04-24T06:43:33.746-07:00TOLERANCE, (like un-deserving Trust), carried to t...TOLERANCE, (like un-deserving Trust), carried to the point of becoming VICTIMS to heinous acts, is NOT coexistence! It, then becomes a gradient slide leading toward the slaughter of emotional rationalization, and perhaps even to physical genocide of the human race!<br /> <br />IT,if allowed or Left Unchecked, or Unquestioned, or, unqualified, becomes boundary coexistence that leads to APATHY! <br /><br />This bumper sticker eschews a "do unto all believe all mentality". <br />It's otherwise called "Social Brainwashing", just as an unquantified, unchecked, Socially Correct Thought. The assumption is made, (as if we lived in a vacuum of a sweet, fictitious utopia of a world).<br /> <br />It's otherwise known in Psych Ops as "Visual Propaganda" or "Social Conversion"! <br />We know it as BRAINWASHING, as a result of repetitive social re-conditioning of beliefs.<br /> <br /><br /> Beware of Symbolism, as it tends to brand you, and limit you into a thought box, to ALL of which that symbol represents.<br /><br /><br />NotutopiaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-87418486602731825632011-04-24T06:38:58.423-07:002011-04-24T06:38:58.423-07:00When Christ sees these stickers does he think &quo...When Christ sees these stickers does he think "obnoxious, subjugate, danger, touchy feely hogwash."? Is He offended? Or does he think, "Love ALL your neighbors as you love yourself. That's what I meant."<br />DonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-48406585931286968742011-04-24T06:11:00.261-07:002011-04-24T06:11:00.261-07:00Jane, my bumper sticker dates from the Atheist Bus...Jane, my bumper sticker dates from the Atheist Bus Campaign in the UK a few years ago. It says:- "There's probably no God, so stop worrying enjoy your life."quedulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09737971867539674984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-86968665110028262192011-04-24T05:53:12.293-07:002011-04-24T05:53:12.293-07:00Nice comment from Steve Herr I must say.
That bum...Nice comment from Steve Herr I must say.<br /><br />That bumper sticker is a battle flag of the multi-cultist and although it sticks to religious symbols, and speaking of race is taboo, it is as much a part of the multi-cult movement as religion.<br /><br />Fueled by white guilt and the need for elitist liberals to atone by sacrificing everything with a strong white, male, or Christian influence on the altar of diversity. It advertises one's allegiance to a willingness to preform government sanctioned racism and religious/gender bias on a national or worldwide scale. Ability means nothing to a multi-cultist only one's race, gender or religion matters and the satisfaction one gets by throwing everyone but their own to the wolves.PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-25970701418785659092011-04-24T05:48:25.368-07:002011-04-24T05:48:25.368-07:00I'm also in a college town and have seen quite...I'm also in a college town and have seen quite a few of these ridiculous bumper stickers. I'm waiting for the "religion of peace" to want to coexist with the rest of us who are true peace loving people. Honor killings (done by families here in America who don't want their daughters to co-exist with the rest of us), beheadings, stoning/killing girls because they were raped, etc., are all happening by the "religion of peace". The rest of us can't speak out against it or we have a phobia. Rev. Terry Jones wanted a permit to protest near a mosque in Dearbornistan but instead was jailed. Yes, he's a nut, but what has happened to our freedoms? When he burned the koran, there was violence. When someone burns a Bible, the Methodists, Episcopalians, etc., don't go out and riot. I'll be happy to coexist when they (who came to our formerly free country), make an effort to get along and become true Americans.<br />KayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com