tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post4924815468194074084..comments2024-03-28T19:35:24.365-07:00Comments on Rural Revolution: Loose lips sink shipsPatrice Lewishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06012022335047974670noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-49888751197601193392012-06-18T20:33:16.210-07:002012-06-18T20:33:16.210-07:00It's really okay where I live..the neighbors h...It's really okay where I live..the neighbors here don't visit...and if ever, they do not come inside...strangest place I've ever lived.<br />Is is a Ky thing?? I'm born and raised Tennessee gal...I was raised like this...knock at door..<br />1)turn off tv/radio...well, not now; we don't have tv.<br />2) beverage definitely provided<br />3) if meal time, they WILL eat!!!<br />LOL..LOL...LOL...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-24103476064946132942012-06-18T16:53:16.266-07:002012-06-18T16:53:16.266-07:00Good for you and smart idea. I never thought much...Good for you and smart idea. I never thought much about that "Reply to all" choice and use the BCC feature because I was asked to by someone I love. That was enough for me. But many people seem to get offended when you make these types of requests. Personally, if someone can't respect a request such as this, then they really aren't people I want to include in my life anyway.Charlenenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-5191080722160342822012-06-18T13:03:47.490-07:002012-06-18T13:03:47.490-07:00If you're worried about OPSEC, then the simple...If you're worried about OPSEC, then the simple answer is to assume that anything you tell anyone will be repeated. It's close enough to universally true.<br /><br />For a more nuanced view, I'd suggest "don't trust people whose trustworthiness you haven't had a chance to evaluate".lelnethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08600824544185328505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-66221220197685313912012-06-18T12:45:05.648-07:002012-06-18T12:45:05.648-07:00I keep thinking about the gentleman who you bought...I keep thinking about the gentleman who you bought the hay from and wondering just how safe his set up really is. A lot of property records are going online now and anybody can look it up, see the number of buildings, size, and value of your holdings. <br /><br />I worry about this in my future too. I dream of a house with a basement which is unusual in my area. People and businesses regularly look into property records. Anybody could look it up and find out.<br /><br />In a bad situation, your OSPEC is going to be blown pretty fast. You'll be the family that doesn't look like skeletons. You'll be the one with fuel to cook still. You won't even be able to even bake since ppl a mile away will smell it. Tortillas and biscuits for you! How does one hide that you're the only one in the neighborhood with a working vehicle still? Post-disaster OSPEC is so much harder.mollohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02899024514499000340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-46115438068097053882012-06-18T10:08:09.458-07:002012-06-18T10:08:09.458-07:00A non-prepper friend came to my house with her 13 ...A non-prepper friend came to my house with her 13 yr old son. I had a 25lb. bag of sugar sitting on the table waiting to be packaged and stored. They were both incredulous and amused at such a large amount of sugar. <br /><br />I told them it was a year's worth of sugar (though actually, being a home canner, I have MUCH more already put by). Still, they made jokes, poked the bag as though they couldn't believe it existed, and kept talking about it all day. They asked if I was one of those people who also bought the mega packs of toilet paper. It was a subject of great humor to them. Needless to say, I told these particular friends no more.<br /><br />But others, I frequently tell that it's a good idea to have enough in the pantry to get through a good snowstorm, a power outage, the car being out of commission for a spell. I never go into the depth or detail with anyone but the closest prepper friends and family. <br /><br />What they don't know, they can't blab. Some know I have a gun. They don't need to know how many nor what kind. Some know I keep a garden. They don't need to know I dehydrate, freeze and can a years worth for 10 people every year from it. And I'd bite my own tongue rather than tell even the closest friend that I have gold. Even my adult kids don't know that one. Opsec can be friendly and helpful. It just needs to be circumspect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-87668663877998417612012-06-18T09:49:02.817-07:002012-06-18T09:49:02.817-07:00I saw a bumper sticker on the back of a pick-up tr...I saw a bumper sticker on the back of a pick-up truck a few years ago that read "Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead." That's about right.Might as well hide in plain sight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-30988940239327350852012-06-18T09:22:48.766-07:002012-06-18T09:22:48.766-07:00In so many situations, the part of your body most ...In so many situations, the part of your body most likely to get you into trouble is your mouth-learn to control it, and watch who you start running it in front of. I have friends I trust and family I don't..the secret is learning who you can trust and who you can't. That ain't easy at all..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-53955114602198977202012-06-18T05:41:55.910-07:002012-06-18T05:41:55.910-07:00OPSEC is indeed a difficult issue and for every in...OPSEC is indeed a difficult issue and for every instance of a breach in security you are aware of there are ten more you are not aware of.<br />If TSHTF big time the people who heard about you and laughed it off and never mentioned it again *will* remember and will come calling either begging or with pilfering in mind. <br /><br />If someone is hungry they will remember the 10 year old story that you were a prepper, it won't matter if no-one has mentioned it since or even if your house burnt down in the meanwhile, they're desperate and your house is still better odds than going to a random destination.<br /><br />I struggle with this, there are friends who I think are preppers or whos eyes might be easily opened but I'm scared of the OPSEC implications.Survival Skveznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-46351974619885002562012-06-18T05:40:57.689-07:002012-06-18T05:40:57.689-07:00Anon,
If you can lock the door you can tell peopl...Anon,<br /><br />If you can lock the door you can tell people that you're decorating and it's a mess.<br />But this only works if they don't know you are a prepper. If they've heard rumours they'll assume it's full of preps.Survival Skveznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-61666532406281077232012-06-17T16:06:21.513-07:002012-06-17T16:06:21.513-07:00I have:
1) a garage with stacked 30 gallon water ...I have: <br />1) a garage with stacked 30 gallon water drums(20)<br />2) an entire bedroom and its closet with 5 gallon buckets, cases of canned goods on shelfs and stacked--the whole works with shelfing 8' X 8' X 2', and 2- 8' X 4'X 2'.(3 shelfing total)<br />3) a 8' X 8' pantry of shelfing with cleaners, canned goods, and 6 BOBs<br />My point?? Hard to hide!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-11742483963172358252012-06-16T19:48:48.232-07:002012-06-16T19:48:48.232-07:00I hope you find some comfort in knowing that the m...I hope you find some comfort in knowing that the more people who prepare, the less we have to fear. Also, one reason there are so many people beginning to do what they can to prepare is that others like yourself are sharing their wisdom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-2621287191659210072012-06-16T19:36:31.818-07:002012-06-16T19:36:31.818-07:00We have a dear friend like that and reveal VERY LI...We have a dear friend like that and reveal VERY LITTLE to him because we don't want him to be our breach in security!! So sad, we love him as a dear brother in Christ, but he can not be trusted to keep his mouth shut. We discovered this before we had told him much about what we were doing, but we sure learned a lot about what a few others were doing.~Aunt Mae (aka ~Mrs. R)http://honeyfromflintyrocks.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-30872579110132417422012-06-16T16:13:06.824-07:002012-06-16T16:13:06.824-07:00i think the loose lips need to know that doggone i...i think the loose lips need to know that doggone it, all your preps went bad...busted jars and spoiled food everywhere..you are just gonna give up on it. yeah i know it is lying/fibbing...but i guarantee you, if they have looose lips the word will get around and folks will just shake their head and say too bad. in the meantime, i think i would be finding a few secret places and not say a word to anybody ever again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-68431319213622425302012-06-16T11:01:19.541-07:002012-06-16T11:01:19.541-07:00The military struggles with this too.
At one point...The military struggles with this too.<br />At one point they were finding flash drives in the Afghani a Iraqi bazzars with classified info. They also found that the terrorists were linking in to Predator video feed (live) because it was unsecured.<br />Sometimes we release info based on who is "cleared" for access (ie family) when we should also consider their need to know. I think a lot of civilians think that a person with a TS (Top Secret) clearance knows all the secrets but there is compartmentalization that is based on need to know. The fact that you are willing to have a conversation on a topic with someone only indicates trust level (clearance), what exactly you divulge should be based on need to know. That said, there are family members that SHOULD be on the inside but can't be because they don't have any concept. In that case you may have to do the hard thing and cut them out of some compartmentalized info. This is a hard one ... good luck... its an ongoing battle even for those who do it for a living.<br /><br />- a VetAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-91509286487886764582012-06-16T10:24:27.125-07:002012-06-16T10:24:27.125-07:00If you are secluded enough when the grid goes down...If you are secluded enough when the grid goes down, not many people will be able to find you anyway. The ones that do will have made a big effort, which will hopefully show a strength of character and those people will not be a threat. Some preppers are preparing just for themselves, but in general it seems that they are the kind of people also preparing to help others. The big question is, when the time comes that you utilize all of your preparedness, how will you determine who is worthy of help and who is a threat or a freeloader? These times seem to be a great test of character, might as well start learning now about how to be a good judge of character, who to trust and who not to trust, and how to say no.ShellyJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03981548057485941512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-48448506946060605472012-06-16T09:28:18.967-07:002012-06-16T09:28:18.967-07:00I totally agree.I totally agree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-15959770318829975452012-06-16T09:23:22.657-07:002012-06-16T09:23:22.657-07:00A lesson well learned, John. We all want to share ...A lesson well learned, John. We all want to share our feelings about these things, hopefully to help others we care about. But we need to wait and keep quiet until we're absolutely certain we can trust someone to keep a secret. And even then, only tell them the basics. Don't get too explicit. I've learned in my 67 years that there are very, VERY few people you can totally trust! --Fred in AZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-10953713879451127812012-06-16T09:18:02.751-07:002012-06-16T09:18:02.751-07:00My wife and I were VERY direct, but also very poli...My wife and I were VERY direct, but also very polite and - we thought - tactful. It did no good. We finally had to be blunt. One good thing came of it, though: We learned who our TRUE friends are! --Fred in AZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-85231318509557853072012-06-16T09:15:40.216-07:002012-06-16T09:15:40.216-07:00My wife and I understand someone's reasons for...My wife and I understand someone's reasons for privacy, the Internet being no exception. 4 or 5 years ago we were getting e-mails from friends and relatives with dozens and dozens of other peoples' e-mail addresses on them. SPAM was getting really bad, as well as viruses and such constantly popping up. Our nephew, who knows a lot more about computers than we ever will, told us we should only send e-mails via "Bcc:" or "Blind carbon copy," rather than using "To:" because then your e-mail address isn't there for all the world to see. (Somewhere down the line someone will see all those "legit" e-mail addresses who will then inundate you with SPAM!) <br /><br />This sounded good to us, so we sent the info to all 35 or 40 people on our address list. Only a handful replied and agreed it sounded like a good idea. The rest just ignored us! We sent another e-mail, carefully explaining why we wanted them to please use Bcc, but still to no avail. I finally informed all those who didn't want to go along with us (evidently they like showing the world that they know a lot of people) that if they didn't start using Bcc and STOP exposing our e-mail to so many people we didn't know, that we would be forced to change our e-mail address and not give it to them. Still no response, and they all kept sending us the same silly jokes and tired old stories with everybody but Adam's e-mail address on the messages. So we changed our e-mail address and only gave it those we knew we could trust.<br /><br />We now only send e-mails to about 8 people, and that's fine with us. We no longer get the same tired, silly jokes from 10 different people, and those we still send e-mails to like to COMMUNICATE and let us know what's going on in their neck of the woods! <br />--Fred & Deb in AZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-26970829593978524822012-06-16T09:03:32.981-07:002012-06-16T09:03:32.981-07:00If they are blabbing, they are NOT a friend. You ...If they are blabbing, they are NOT a friend. You have to think about your family first! You would be doing him a major favor by pointing out to him the error of his big mouth. JBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-54550464774282580112012-06-16T07:00:17.176-07:002012-06-16T07:00:17.176-07:00I guess helping others is a trade off in OPSEC to ...I guess helping others is a trade off in OPSEC to a degree. I have written, blogged and talked to people all over about prepping and lost some of our OPSEC, but it was worth it in many ways. These people will share the good prepping they are doing, bounce ideas off me and in general are better off and further ahead than they would have been. I am lucky to be so far off the beaten ath that I don't have to worry about the casual person coming here, but it's always something I am aware off. We cache off site now, and I feel better about it. Nothing here but a regular little homestead! Let them talk (not).Herbalpaganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13122973060172005945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-25506411345237741902012-06-16T05:44:58.331-07:002012-06-16T05:44:58.331-07:00As a Christian I don't know that one can have ...As a Christian I don't know that one can have complete OpSec. How do you attempt to help others learn and be prepared if you are always worried about keeping everything a secret. If I hadn't taken the time over the past two years to keep talking to me sister she would still be totally in the dark. She has a long ways to go, but has at least started putting extra food up. What she does will be that one less thing I have to do for her. Does she think I'm crazy. Of course, my whole family does. Do they talk about me to others, YUP! But,we know that we can only do what we can do. The rest is up to God.Stuck in CAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-84278300987734964342012-06-16T05:21:04.804-07:002012-06-16T05:21:04.804-07:00We had a similar situation. A relative came home ...We had a similar situation. A relative came home and informed us that he had heard down at the "coffee shop" that another relative "was ready for anything"; he had guns, food, etc.--and of course, in this little town, everyone knows where everyone lives. I informed this other relative about what was being said, and he tracked it back, confronted the blabber, who now doesn't really "hang with" the one blabbed to. Lesson learned by all. <br /><br />Our personal strategy is to not tell ANYBODY "everything". Even the ones we can talk prepping with (in-laws included)do not know the full extent of our storage and preps. When you are trying to build a community, that is all you can do. Try to keep the "circle" small.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-24591402004815741272012-06-16T03:41:36.975-07:002012-06-16T03:41:36.975-07:00One of the most important aspects in prepping for ...One of the most important aspects in prepping for any major disaster, either natural or man made is sorting out who you can and cannot depend on and trust. Sifting trustworthiness out of the silo of human nature is a daunting task. Not something to be done hastily or on the spur of the moment. NO person or family is an island fortress. It is imperative you surround yourself with a tight group with one person in charge who is sound and intelligent enough to make crucial decisions. Any breakdown in OPSEC will force you to cache supplies off site, for when stomachs rumble they will use natures first law of unintended consequence and hit the known places where they can hit the vein of gold without much effort. I am trying to find like minds myself and it is not a smooth road. You will discard more than you keep. Avoid disclosing location and inventory and approach the topic in a roundabout way. Vet the individual through others with reputation and actions observed. Loners are often that for a reason. Family gives a sense of loyalty and continuity.Calloused hands show determination and hard work. You may have to abandon your retreat in favor of making a group work. Established groups are also another choice. It is all up to what you feel is in your families best interest. I know this post is muddled and confusing,but so is your task at hand....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-57057127477664832302012-06-15T23:26:55.286-07:002012-06-15T23:26:55.286-07:00You need to have a firm talk with them and discuss...You need to have a firm talk with them and discuss the real danger of every man and their dog knowing about prepping and your concerns about Opsec. <br /><br />Tell them something like I'm happy to find preppers in my community but I would like it to be on my terms. If you meet like minded people and discuss friends who prep please do not reveal any of my identifying details.<br /><br />By the sounds of it original poster you might have a local community of preppers with good resources if anything happens. Have you considered starting a community prepper group? That way you have knowledge of other preppers and you can all agree to rules around Opsec.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com