tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post2304312700536774314..comments2024-03-28T04:26:21.582-07:00Comments on Rural Revolution: Are Millennials in trouble?Patrice Lewishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06012022335047974670noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-15222403362097843482015-01-26T08:56:12.346-08:002015-01-26T08:56:12.346-08:00For your reading Patrice .. an autobiography from ...For your reading Patrice .. an autobiography from Ace Walden of Coeur d'Alene, Idaho .. from the good old days .. before the 'safety-net' of big brother made life 'better' http://www.museumni.org/Newsletter_Winter_2015.pdfMrs. Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06644129213141875138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-906564937605936272015-01-26T08:29:44.979-08:002015-01-26T08:29:44.979-08:00I totally agree .. I totally agree .. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-12662403526252847632015-01-26T04:24:54.110-08:002015-01-26T04:24:54.110-08:00You're doing it the right way. No matter what...You're doing it the right way. No matter what anyone tells you.<br /><br />Just wanted you to know that.MCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-46419846929011284872015-01-26T04:22:54.181-08:002015-01-26T04:22:54.181-08:00^^^^
Ding-ding-ding!!!!
This is an excellent tho...^^^^<br /><br />Ding-ding-ding!!!!<br /><br />This is an excellent thought. Along the same lines as not falling into the "Doesn't-matter-what-you-study-JUST-GO!!" trap. Lest you think we were some paragon, may I add that my dad fell into that trap and, even though I had misgivings, I went walking merrily right on in. I have to give him credit for good intentions. And credit for NEVER having any intentions of paying for it himself. I always knew that was on me. <br /><br />College is a business like any other (at least in one respect)-- they have to sell their goods to stay in business. If people stop buying their goods, their goods will get cheaper. Granted education is only one thing, and probably not the main thing, that they sell (their main product, despite what they'd like you to think, is research).<br /><br />Stop feeding the monster, and the monster will have to get leaner.<br /><br />In the meantime, I'm telling my kids stories about two kids (two very lucky kids) in a leaky old trailer with a patchwork of part-time jobs and one car between them. I'm telling my kids stories about two kids in a camping trailer, one of whom worked two jobs and cleaned the landlady's house in lieu of rent while the other worked one job and went to school (and walked a few miles each way to do it, if the stories can be believed, because college students didn't drive cars back in the '40s when my grandfather fought his way through WVU).<br /><br />Making life too easy isn't a gift of love. MCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-40080661798709973642015-01-26T04:08:12.788-08:002015-01-26T04:08:12.788-08:00HO-LEE COW!!!!
All these years I thought we were ...HO-LEE COW!!!!<br /><br />All these years I thought we were spoiled brats.<br /><br />I guess we were smarter than I gave us credit for.<br /><br />That boggles the mind. <br /><br />Permission to repeat that story to my MIL the next time she gets down on herself for the job she did raising Hubby???MCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-63790824097479559582015-01-25T13:05:08.711-08:002015-01-25T13:05:08.711-08:00Close your mouth MC. A few decades back in the la...Close your mouth MC. A few decades back in the last century I saw a lot of guys do that....new cars, new stereos (this was a big one) all on their student loans. I took out small loans, paid off long ago, but then....I did get a BS for about $10k total - for all four years...... How times have changed...(I guess that makes me REALLY old, huh?) Natokadn <br /><br /> I should add that about 5 years later I went back to school and got a technical degree and a SKILL and it was not until then that I got my first full time benefitted position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-66997138930336007032015-01-25T11:43:01.993-08:002015-01-25T11:43:01.993-08:00Why do we focus on student loans as the problem? N...Why do we focus on student loans as the problem? Nearly every anecdote left in response (many extremely inspiring, don't get me wrong) involves pushing off life until late 20s or beyond. <br /><br />It seems to me the problem is not debt, or not being told no, or any other common reasoning. It's our economy, overspecialization and outsourcing. We treat higher education as if it's a requirement, a given, how it's always been, when in fact society did just fine without it for the majority of human history.A Millenialnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-25135629543375174632015-01-25T08:41:56.850-08:002015-01-25T08:41:56.850-08:00Original Anonymous here-
First, and I thought I ma...Original Anonymous here-<br />First, and I thought I made this clear. I love the message here. We live a very similar rural, self sufficient lifestyle. I've got no beef with the Lewis'.<br /><br />Second, what would you say if I told you I had a blog at one time. One that taught men to love their wives, children and to lead their homes...and normal christians and hardcore feminists don't look much different these days in their beliefs or in how they respond such ideas.<br /><br />50 years ago, husband of the boss was a joke- and maybe a funny one. Today, it is the truth in 80% of the homes in America, if not more. Even if a wife does not think she is "the boss," with current teaching in the church, schools, government and pop culture combined with the effects of divorce, ailimony, child custody laws, etc...makes for an environment where it is not only a terrible joke in today's day and age but encourages a narrative that I don't think the Lewis' mean to encourage.<br /><br />As far as the all the arguements presented:<br />1) there were no last names given, even still, until the feminist movement a husband's name was always first.<br />2) I did not call anyone worthless, nor beat my chest.<br />3) If your perspective is different that mine that we should honor men as the head of the household and reflect that in how how we communicate- I would like to know. Let's put our cards on the table.<br />4) As I stated above, many who do not realize it have had "women's lib" seep into their minds without even realizing it. It is so ingrained in our culture that most cannot even recognize it- even those who call themselves conservatives or christians.<br />5) As far as judging, first that is a false narrative of false teaching within the church. I do not know the Lewis' well enough to know their faith and where they stand. But if we are indeed christian brothers and sisters, we are called to rebuke one another when we are in the wrong. 1 Corinthians 5:12 clearly teaches we are to not judge those outside the church but that we are indeed to judge those inside the church- but you are correct in the Matthew teaching that we should be careful how we judge because the same measure will be used against us. I care about the Lewis' as I greatly enjoy their message and I suspect they share faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord & Savior. This is aspect that I brought up though is harmful though to what they stand for which is why without calling them names, telling them to go away or beating of my chest I told them exactly that.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-38470215033733214202015-01-24T23:12:15.612-08:002015-01-24T23:12:15.612-08:00It is probably old school, but I was always taught...It is probably old school, but I was always taught that when addressing two married persons, you never separate the man's first and last name, hence, Sue and Joe Smith. Why? Because the woman's last name will change when she marries and the man's is constant throughout his life and denotes the family unit. <br /><br />I don't know for sure what was intended with the order of names here, but I just always do it that way. Perhaps nothing ill was intended at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-3146126826721552842015-01-24T21:01:29.051-08:002015-01-24T21:01:29.051-08:00About 50 years ago when I went to college we did n...About 50 years ago when I went to college we did not expect our parents to pay OR to get a loan. We worked and paid our way as we studied. It was possible because everyone paid their own tuition and government intervention was non-existent. <br /><br />Absolutely the ONLY reason to go to college today is if you need some type of official certification for what you want to do with your life. Only if you want to be a nurse, doctor, lawyer, government school teacher, etc. and cannot do that job without it, should you even think about going to "college". Today, everything you ever wanted to learn is available for free. <br /><br />I'm encouraging my grandchildren to pick a path where stick-to-it counts more than credentials. Well that, and to always pay cash.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-22307898806640482592015-01-24T17:33:32.035-08:002015-01-24T17:33:32.035-08:00Makes me all teary all over again when I read a st...Makes me all teary all over again when I read a story like that.<br /><br />Just MeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-63277885669059512132015-01-24T16:07:14.192-08:002015-01-24T16:07:14.192-08:00What are the rest of your rules for living? You do...What are the rest of your rules for living? You don't seem to respect anyone else's perspective on life, so why do you bother with us worthless types? Lighten up. If you've read anything else on this blog, you'd know that Don is the head of the Lewis household. Judge not lest... and all that. (Sorry, Patrice. This just irked me to no end.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-27587233170944604802015-01-24T15:55:06.433-08:002015-01-24T15:55:06.433-08:00I graduated high school at 18 and went to college....I graduated high school at 18 and went to college. I really didn't know what I wanted to do for a career but my family expected me to 'just go'. My parents paid my expenses for three years. Then I received a letter from my Dad saying that I was receiving the last check from him. Being cut off financially was the best thing he could have done for me. Plain and simple, I got a job on that paid my bills. I did not accrue any debt. I lived in a small apartment with lots of roommates and we shared meals cooked together. I graduated but with a degree that was absolutely worthless to me. <br /><br />I then cobbled together jobs and was marginally employed until I was 27. I went back to school for a degree in accounting. Many people asked me how I could stand being in accounting. I said it was simple, really. In those years after I graduated the first time and struggled to find work, I would open the help wanted ads and see jobs in accounting. I went to school for a degree in something technical and relevant to the job market.<br />I did fall into the trap of taking out more student loans then I needed and did graduate with debt. In my case, the debt was due to some really bad decisions such as going to school in a high cost of living area and other poor lifestyle choices. <br />Because of my major and my work history, though, I had a choice of jobs at graduation. I paid off my student debt as fast as I could. Being in debt for a short period of time in my early 30s had a profound effect on me. I have not been in debt since except for my house mortgage. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-32394848041261567022015-01-24T14:26:58.191-08:002015-01-24T14:26:58.191-08:00Here it is in a nutshell... I have been awakened ...Here it is in a nutshell... I have been awakened in the middle of the night to the sound of water gushing from a burst pipe destroying part of my home. NEVER once during that long night did I ever feel the need to call a PhD or a major in Liberal Arts or anyone who speaks a foreign language fluently. I try to be practical.<br /><br />One idea for parents is to point out to their young people what they each NEED done by others (electrical, plumbing, law enforcement, etc.) and then think about pursuing one of these careers. By my calculations, they have 16-18 years to make these observations daily and point them out to their kids before anyone decides on a lifetime of work or debt. IMHO.<br /><br />God Bless.<br />Janet in MAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-78635505583372250972015-01-24T14:18:09.926-08:002015-01-24T14:18:09.926-08:00Are you *expletive deleted* serious?!?!
Holy bad ...Are you *expletive deleted* serious?!?!<br /><br />Holy bad decisions, Batman!!!!<br /><br />STUDENT loans for more than tuition and books?? Some institution will lend you money to PARTY?!?! That's so far beyond stupid I can't even wrap my brain around it.<br /><br />WOW.<br /><br />I guess I'd better scrape my jaw up off the floor and never complain about Hubby getting thru engineering school on student loans (all paid off now) again. MCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-32217587079626986912015-01-24T14:17:16.868-08:002015-01-24T14:17:16.868-08:00Interesting... May I opine? At a glance, I took ...Interesting... May I opine? At a glance, I took it to be a polite (ladies first) form of address. After a second look, I STILL take it that way. I've been a girl/lady/women for nearly 60 years and I never fell for that Woman's Lib nonsense. Nor did I go overboard in the other direction. Balance in ALL things, my esteemed fellow blog commenter. I also think 'Husband of the Boss' is totally cool because, unlike your good self, I can plainly see that Patrice and Don (deliberate arrangement of names there) honor each other in a magnificent way. It shows in all of their writings that they have a deep regard and respect for each other. Don probably doesn't feel the need to stand on something tall and bang his chest while shouting in a dramatic fashion to get his point across, so you may not have noticed this. I feel this only enhances my good opinion of him as Man of their House, blessed by God.<br /><br />God Bless,<br />Janet in MAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-27935682571619351562015-01-24T12:52:26.795-08:002015-01-24T12:52:26.795-08:00Go awayGo awayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-37597777990588109212015-01-24T12:44:58.488-08:002015-01-24T12:44:58.488-08:00Do you have a blog? I read at Elspeths blog, https...Do you have a blog? I read at Elspeths blog, https://lovingintheruins.wordpress.com<br /><br />She writes about things such as what you do. I don't agree with everything she says but 99% of the time I am nodding my head in agreement. <br /><br />If you don't have a blog you should. We need more people who think like you, at least of what you shared here.<br /><br />For what it is worth, I think many couples don't see how comments reinforce the idea that women are in control of the home. Men have been taught these comments are acceptable and not to even consider how they undermine traditional roles. It's all said tongue in cheek. <br /><br />I do think Don leads his family well. You get a feel for things when you have read someone for several years. Your point still stands but I think Don and Patrice don't think much about the wording.<br /><br />This is something that I have had to retrain my thinking in as well. <br />Ouida GabrielAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-165467646716900202015-01-24T11:02:36.120-08:002015-01-24T11:02:36.120-08:00Both our girls went to college on full scholarship...Both our girls went to college on full scholarships. The eldest wanted to be a teacher, but the ROTC scholarship she was awarded was in nursing, so she became an OB nurse and served her country. Later she took some classes and taught at a private school. After a few years of starving, she's back to nursing, where it pays the bills, allows savings and she can schedule time for her ministry work.<br />The younger daughter's scholarships did not have strings attached. She was doing quite well in the pre pharmacy program, when she decided to follow her heart; criminal justice is a useless degree, and there are now programs on line that give same degree she sat in classes and listened to marxists to obtain. She graduated a year early against our wishes, but with honors and was debt free. She also worked full time in order to keep and board her horse that she used on the riding teams in college. It is a good thing she is a hard worker, because she's back in college getting a nursing degree and at some point when she has worked and saved more money, she'll return to get certified in anesthesiology. <br />It was painful to watch her struggle but we let her own her struggle. We will help the kids out when and if we can, but we are working on retirement. Like college, retirement should not be financed.<br />Youngest child, son, is being directed at vocation tech career. Plumber, electrician, carpenter, mechanic, diesel technician. I will need to be sedated if I have to help one more of my own, cope with the toxic effects of tenured professors spewing hatred of capitalism and this country. <br /> Son knows he gets to choose and PAY.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-24283575113068090522015-01-24T10:58:58.309-08:002015-01-24T10:58:58.309-08:00It is Nathan & Mandy, not Mandy & Nathan.....It is Nathan & Mandy, not Mandy & Nathan...or at least it was for all of history until the exact things you fight against every day took over. And hidden in that very point is a huge reason Nathan & Mandy are struggling and will struggle. <br /><br />And as much as I love your message- and I do- it is why you should immediately take down the "husband of the boss". Men get this in every media- and it's pushed by the very people and ideas you stand against. Men & women, our families, our children, our churches, our communities and our churches are better when men are honored as the head of their families.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-89787505677185595002015-01-24T10:52:01.084-08:002015-01-24T10:52:01.084-08:00I have a master's degree and a trade school/ v...I have a master's degree and a trade school/ vocational degree and I can guarantee that in my lifetime the trade school will pay for itself ten fold and the masters degree might never do that once. <br />My husband owns two businesses and openly admits that he pays no attention to degrees earned, he want a real person with experience in the real world... a young person that can hold a conversation and put in some honest work- not someone force fed theories and methods. <br /><br />I love education- I teach part time, but it is wasted on those who are not there to learn, those who go to college because it is expected, or required; and how ridiculous to believe that you will know what you want to do for the rest of your life at 17! at the price tag of $60,000!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-8739699006662456542015-01-24T10:22:46.499-08:002015-01-24T10:22:46.499-08:00PP,
i'm with you.
nephew studied a subject for...PP,<br />i'm with you.<br />nephew studied a subject for which jobs were plentiful. when he graduated all of those jobs had literally gone to india.<br />he has always had job, just none in his field. [it was something you do on a computer].<br />deb h.deb harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05110992898072146282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-90703571149596603742015-01-24T08:55:34.970-08:002015-01-24T08:55:34.970-08:00My nephew got a degree in accounting and decided i...My nephew got a degree in accounting and decided it was boring. Went to law school on student loans. Got a low paying job that didn't even service his debt although living in a rathole apartment and eating the cheapest things he could find. His mother paid on the debt because she felt sorry for him. He could still have done accounting but didn't want to be bored. Went back to school (more debt) and got an MBA in finance. Found a job but hated the area of the country he worked in. Got a transfer to another area. Hated it too. Changed jobs twice. Now has a job he "sorta likes" and has finally paid off his debt. Problem: He just turned 50. No wife (couldn't afford to date), no house. Hasn't had a real vacation since summers during the first four years of college. Also still hasn't paid his mother back for the extra help with his law school debt. But he is a CPA. a member of the bar, and a financial planner. I'm not taking any advice from him! <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-30133518093540875772015-01-24T08:53:26.262-08:002015-01-24T08:53:26.262-08:00I always did very well in school and could have go...I always did very well in school and could have gone far in college and university. I'm sure there were family members who expected me to do that. However, entering college, I didn't really know what I wanted to do, except that I didn't want to waste money doing something I wasn't sure about. I got my AA in graphic design (being artistic and good with computers), but I stopped there. By the end of my community college days, I realized I didn't want a career in that, and there was no way I was going to continue with that uncertainty. As it was, I was in a serious relationship by that point, and I knew that I wanted to put family before career.<br /><br />Today, I am married (for 7+ years) with two kids and our own home. My husband has a full time job, and he's taking classes in his own time to try to expand his skills. I am working part time at the office where I've been working since high school, and my parents help with the kids on the days that I work. I don't regret my schooling decisions at all. My sisters and my best friend all went on to get BA degrees, and none of them are working in the fields they studied (although they're all doing well enough as they are).<br /><br />I have really appreciated your posts on this topic over the years, Patrice, and am continually impressed with the maturity of your girls as they make decisions for their own futures. It helps me know how to encourage my kids when they're old enough to be facing these choices themselves. :)Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12289025175282788444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5526768924178592295.post-19597721552502647492015-01-24T08:51:11.948-08:002015-01-24T08:51:11.948-08:00It is way past time for some honesty in this stude...It is way past time for some honesty in this student loan debate. Many, perhaps most student take the maximum loan they can get and spend what is left over after payng for tutition and books. You can buy a new car with monthly payments on the student loan left after paying for a community college. You can get and apartment rather then live at home so you can party. You can drive to the beach or vacation in Mexico during spring break with the extra money that the student loan provides. Imagine the temptation to do exactly that rather then only borrow as much as you need. Then 4 or 5 years later the bill comes due. What's the answer? To complain that student loans are too expensive and maybe the government should forgive those loans so these poor kids can enjoy vacations and new cars again. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com