In-your-face stuff from an opinionated
rural north Idaho housewife.
We know preppers who have LOADS of preps - seriously buildings and storage lockers full. It makes me tired to look at their stockpile. He is one who longs for TEOTWAWKI and I am convinced he wants it so he doesn't look like a fool for living the way he has.It's one thing to "be prepared" - it's another to wish harm on others.
What an excellent article. I myself am a bit of a loon that way. I look at what my politicians are doing, and the anti-family/community/cultural activists and sometimes I just pray for that asteroid to take the entire planet out! I sympathize with the loons in that there are growing hordes of people who aren't fit to breathe!Short term - it will be wretched. Long term...after that cull...I see good things, if it happens. In rural communities you tend to see better people than urban ones - I know from experience. Neighbours in rural communities look out for each other and respect each other a lot more than urban people do. That kind of community will eventually re-assert itself, I would like to think.The people that will survive long term are those that are smart, resourceful - and caring of others in their community.
People in the cities used to do that too, shame, that has changed.
Oh dear...I don't know whether you are religious or not but are you aware that you are judging who should be allowed to live and who shouldn't? As far as I know, the major religions advise you to leave that kind of judgment to God - wise advice, I should say. It is not ncessarily the smart, resourceful and caring people who are going to survive a calamity. Thousands of smart, resourceful and caring people did NOT survive the wars and turmoil of their time. Maybe they were smart, resourceful and caring but got seriously sick and could not get medical care as the system had collapsed; or they got in the way of an army by mistake; or they had to flee their homes in winter and somebody, who was also resourceful but less caring took away their blankets and they froze to death. Look at 100 biographies from people caught up in World War II, for example, and you'll find that sometimes the weak survive; sometimes the resourceful survive; sometimes the most selfish survive. And please stop looking at people and judging whether they are fit to live, that's not a judgment that's your call.
They are smug in their practical preparations but the don't think about medical and dental. What do they do when their child has a ruptured appendix with no ambulance to get them to the hospital for the surgery they need..a broken tooth that needs to be pulled..a compound fracture that gets infected..there are so many things in this great country to be Thankful for..it's a shame they can't see beyond their preparations to the horrors that await, they wouldn't be so smug then.
Excellent work, Patrice. I'm not nearly as well prepared or insightful as you are, but I know this about TEOTWAWKI:It won't be as some of the folks you wrote about may envision.It will be much, much worse. And they won't like it.Too many people today appear to be walking around with 'bad movies' in their heads and a lot of magical thinking borne of a society influenced by too much computer gaming and hollywood wishcasting.Reality bites. ( Ask Patrice's pinky toe! )A. McSp
The dilemma is that the longer we manage to put off the brutal day of re-equilibrium and as bigger and bigger become the West's truly astonishing national debts.... the harder we'll fall. We can't even gradually change our way of life because the very institutions like entrenched industrial farming that are sustaining us can't stop if we're all to eat -- and who among us is volunteering to die so that others may live? Who among us volunteers to knowingly and willingly eat the insect protein being developed -- suitably artificially textured and flavoured -- as real food increasingly becomes another 'perq' of wealth and privilege only? And as wealth/success becomes increasingly a measure of social viciousness, how do we raise our children to participate in a common society?: 'success' and the Judeo-Christian ethic that shaped our behaviour and mores are increasingly diametric opposites! --And another dilemma is that the people who prep will be the first targets for the frenzied unprepared! ....Screwed, front and back.
I understand the emotion of these people's position, but they aren't using their heads. First, man is by natue a social creature; even mostb hermits have a small trusted inner circle, and not all of them will "make the cut." Second, as at least one person above mentioned, there will come a time that a life or death situation occus when we'll have little choice but to settle for death, for ourself or a loved one, because no one person can do everything.
Excellent article, the thing that bothers me most is that the change will not be the change I want! I have read Revelation - America doesn't turn into the Garden of Eden, the world does not become a better place, people aren't going to be nicer to each other and work harder for the common good. And in the end let's get real, nuclear bombs and asteroids are pretty indiscriminate they may take out the "prepped" family and leave all that work for the government! "Karma"!
Can't say I agree with you this time Patrice. Guess there is a first time for everything. The only way we are going to get this straightened out is for a collapse to happen, at the very least a popping of the debt bubble the entitled classes have been scalping us with for decades. It isn't the fault of us who want to see this Feminist/Muti-Cult/Big government madness to end that the pain is going to be so much greater because of all their can kicking.The longer they keep pushing the pain down the road though the more horrific it's going to be when it does happen. In many ways those hoping for the collapse to happen now rather than later are the ones hoping for the lesser amount of pain and suffering for everyone.
While I certainly applaud preppers the fact remains that if it finally hits the fan there won't be a corner of the country that won't be over run by the starving, panicked hordes, no matter how "rural" the location. To actually hope for this situation is foolish.Huggs..
Those of us praying for the end of this world as we know it, it is not as you have described.I believe God has had a part with those of us who are doing our best to prepare our family for the events set in Matthew 24. Since I am the senior member of my family and the most prepared I want these events to occur while I am still here to bibilically guide my children and grandchildren thru what I believe is going to happen. I am probably the oldest that will reply to all these comments and even though I believe the generations that follow me are a lot smarter, they have not had the decades of life experiences to gain the wisdom to make the right decisions. Everyone wants to go to heaven, but how many want to die. We will go thru some terrible times before Jesus returns. These times are referred to as "birth pains", "the time of sorrows" and this is even before the world goes thru "The Tribulation" as described by Jesus in his Revelation to St John. For those of you who do not seek the return of our Savior, I can understand why you would agree with Patrice. MARANATHA! Pelham Legal
Not to defend people who say stupid stuff. I can only add that it is what humans do. If someone is a fan of a sports team you don't like you call them names and wish their teanm would all break a leg. It is childish and stupid and most of us do it or did it. Growing up is growing out of this bad habit but not everyone makes it. For many people the way to get attention is to say something provocative. The point is they probably really mean I wish people would pay attention to what is going on in the world and prepare for the worst. But they don't know how to say something rational to support their belief system so they say something provocative instead.
Great article Patrice. I live in a rural area of many like-minded folks. Most of us are self-sufficient to a point. Unfortunately our area is a hot spot for tourism for NYC/ Philadelphia area. I hear this sentiment among the locals allot. I really fear the collapse of society because people don't realize we are basically in the "line of drift" for the unprepared masses to flee to. When I hear a "bring it on" type comment my mind immediately goes to the desperate families that we'll be forced to witness. I don't know if I can watch starving children and parents go by without doing anything to help. Not to mention it will not be all rosey should we survive like the disaster fictions like to imagine. It will more than likely put us into a "Dark Ages" again. That really set us back centuries the first time with some amount of knowledge never being regained! Even those of that are prepared will most likely not survive the "culling".
We live close to Pgh. Have a nice little farm. we try to live (besides our jobs)close to the way our ancestors did, canning ,hunting, etc to me that is "prepping" But like you said it would be very hard to turn away people. I think that is going to be the hardest thing for most people. I hope it never happens.
Patrice, I agree with you regarding those with motives you defined. That said, a valid argument could be made that a collapse is good. Believers, bear with me.Christ told us that the two main characteristics of Satan are murdering and lies (John 8:44) Satan's greatest weapon is governments. For every person murdered by an individual, governments have murdered 10,000 of their OWN people. Source 'Death by Government' by R.J. Rummel. This does not even take into account the 66 million babies aborted under the ‘protection’ of our central government.I challenge Christians to answer two questions. Do you believe our central government has become evil and is doing the work of Satan? If you answered ‘Yes’, then should Christians be praying against it?These are not rhetorical questions. I’d love to hear readers’ replies.Montana Guy
I often ask myself, if people know what evil really is? When you see what is going on all around us. All we can DO is ask for Gods help. But we also, have to help ourselves.
No! And NO! There are always bad people and for obvious reasons most of them gravitate to politics. We need to wake up the voters and vote the bums out.
really? You do know, that voting the bums out has not worked. Only bums now are running for office. If there is a decent politician that wants the change that we want he is blackballed and ignored. And, i really think our voting system is just a dog and pony show. Your vote does not matter. I would like to know what you think of Obamas recent proposal to make voting mandatory? Wake up the voters?? LOLOLOL
As the AA community says, you can't begin recovery until you hit bottom, and it has to hurt. If the crash happens now it won't be nearly so bad as it will be in 10 years.JW M
Amos 5:18-20New King James Version (NKJV)18 Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord!For what good is the day of the Lord to you?It will be darkness, and not light.19 It will be as though a man fled from a lion,And a bear met him!Or as though he went into the house,Leaned his hand on the wall,And a serpent bit him!20 Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light?Is it not very dark, with no brightness in it?
Matthew 6:10 "Your Kingdom Come, your will be done". In 2 Thessalonians Paul hoped for the ultimate rest & reward for their suffering for the kingdom would come when Christ returned & that was in 2 parts. 1st aspect was at the end of the 7 year tribulation period. The final occurs at the great white throne judgment. Believers have nothing to fear from either of these. The period called "birth pains" or "time of sorrows" has nothing to do with the events described in Amos 5. Pelham Legal
You are right. I was not looking to make a direct connection. It was to emphasize the point of Patrice's article. When people are gleeful anticipating trouble, it is usually much worse than they can possible imagine.
To Montana Guy. I believe that all the governments of the world belong to Satan. If they did not, he would not have offered to give them to Jesus (Matt 4:8-9). Should we be praying against our government? No we should not. We should be praying for our government. The bible makes this very clear. Not to support their policies. But so that we, who look to the government of God, may live in peace.Jeremiah 29:7New King James Version (NKJV)7 And seek the peace of the city where I have caused you to be carried away captive, and pray to the Lord for it; for in its peace you will have peace.1 Timothy 2:1-2New King James Version (NKJV)Pray for All Men2 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.When Paul wrote that letter to Timothy Nero was the emperor. If Paul can tell Timothy to pray for Nero, should we do any less.?Remember what Jesus said. Matthew 5:43-48New King James Version (NKJV)Love Your Enemies43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.Doing what Jesus says when it easy, "what do you do more than others?". Doing what Jesus says when it is hard, that builds Godly character.Ken Morris
How timely. Do you know what today is? If you don’t mind hearing truth, here are the words of Pastor Chuck Baldwin. “Today is one of the most important dates in American history. On March 23, 1775, Patrick Henry gave his immortal “Give me liberty, or give me death” speech to the Second Revolutionary Convention meeting at St. John’s Church in Richmond, Virginia. Without a doubt, this speech must be regarded as the single most significant speech ever given in American history. This speech did as much to inspire the colonists to fight for their independence from Great Britain as any other single factor.”In his speech, Henry warned, "It is natural for a man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth". To me there is no greater example than believing Washington DC can be fixed. Honestly, do you still believe we just need to write more letters to King George?Our Founding Fathers were good God-fearing men, contrary to the lies government feed to our children. They were led by real Pastors who spoke every Sunday against sin and tyranny, not by today’s impotent IRS-censored 501c3 pastors who serve two masters. Every American should be grateful to our Founders for acts and their sacrifices. They understood that freedom is God-given; that people (yes, including Christians!) not only have the right to secede from a tyrannical government, but they also have the DUTY to remove it from power. Any American who does not understand that, missed the whole point of the Declaration of Independence.Montana Guy
Montana GuyI think you may have misunderstood my response. I do not believe our government can be fixed. I believe things will get worse and that this is just the "beginning of sorrows". The instructions to pray given in the bible are not instruction to pray that things in Washington will improve. They won't. We are instructed to pray so that the impact on the lives of those who choose a different path will be mitigated by God. We pray so that Christians may live peaceably.
I am 66 years old and my wife is 69. We grew up on small farms and can feed and otherwise provide for ourselves and many others and pass the knowledge on. We are the end of that generation that can do that. Sorry but 99% of you younger people are totally without experience and knowledge. If this does not happen soon the knowledge to survive will die with us.. History teaches us that societies always collapse. Nature teaches us that overpopulations always collapse. It is over. If we few older ones that know the basics are gone it is really over.--ken
Just for your reading only .. couldn't pass passing this one on to you ... what the heck?? http://www.vox.com/2015/3/22/8270411/california-lgbt-executionsI'm not for gay marriage .. but this is EXTREME!!!
Patrice, I hugely enjoyed your insightful article - thanks a lot!
The destruction of our personal liberties by the federal government reminds me of something my grandmother would say. The best way to boil a frog is to put it in a pot of cold water and slowly turn up the heat. Never realizing it's being cooked to death, it won't jump out.
I've read somewhere what a certain country in south America is going through because of a collapse at this time. Can't remember which country. Nevertheless, the people have to chain-link fence in their house, and can only venture out into town for provisions at certain times. Things are unreachable, depleted, and in very short supply. Electricity to living quarters, and phone service is only spotty, and occasional. No I do not want the decline!!!!!
No one in their right mind wants to "bring it on." There will be so many innocent people suffering. The children of people who are not prepared had no vote in the matter but will suffer just the same. What will you do when a starving child shows up at your door? Can you turn them away? I honestly don't know what I would do, and I pray I never have to make this kind of choice.
And in 5 or 10 years innocent people won't suffer??? There will be three classes of people - those that prepare for tomorrow, those that live for today and those that run things for their personal benefit. But the that is how thinhgs work now..
I agree Patrice. It is one thing to be prepared for whatever might come, but that sure doesn't mean I want it to come. I enjoy having access to modern day medicine! I think many of the people who are so ready for collapse, truly don't know what they wish for. Give them a week with absolutely no modern conveniences and I would make a bet that they would last that week. It isn't easy going back to the middle ages, most don't have the physical stamina for the sheer amount of work involved in day to day living. Blessings, Kat
I do not wish for TEOTWAKI, but I don't think wishing against something postpones it either. This nation has a debt that is not going to go away and there will be a correction at some point. Whether or not that severe correction will have anything to do with the end of times is another thing. If I were given a choice to have to work hard and cling to a drudgery filled life now or in 10 years, I would take NOW in the hopes that my youthful age of 54 allows me to not only be able, but to be here for my kids, grandkids and my elderly parents. In 10 years my parents will not be here, statistically speaking as they are in their mid 80's now, and my husband and I will be in a mid 60's and early 70's. We don't get to pick the time, and I am sure that TPTB will post pone any economic collapse, even with war, until the last minute. There will be no "ounce of prevention". I also do not think that any delay will be of benefit to those who are too involved in the activities of modern life, that have the cavalier attitude that the government will not let anything bad happen. Yes, some people that are just getting their feet with with being more self-sufficient, will be farther along. I guess their experience will help balance out the fact that in the mean time much wisdom and experience will have died off.Do I wish to "bring it on". NO. I "wish" for things to get better, and I prepare for things to get worse and that like many, I have LOTS of time to continue to learn and do and share. May God bless you all.sidetracksusie
I recently read an interesting article in the Washington Post that referred to this mindset as "schadenfreudopocalypse"