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Saturday, December 18, 2010

The Golden Horde

Here is my latest WorldNetDaily article entitled The Golden Horde.

In the course of the article I invite readers to tell how they’ve prepared or what tips they may have to make themselves less vulnerable to a disaster. These will be posted as I receive them. Since input will either come as emails or as comments to this post, be sure to read both. I’ll be frequently updating as I receive more input from readers, so be sure to check back.

You are correct about the mob mentality during a real or perceived crisis. Not pretty. Anyone who has lived in the path of a hurricane has seen the fights over the last bottle of water, pack of batteries, or sheet of plywood. (Best viewed from home on the local nightly news).

A common resource that might be overlooked when shortages or disruptions happen is the water heater in the home or apartment. It has 40 to 80 gallons of water in it which can be accessed from the drain bib at the bottom. Opening the pressure relief valve at the top will allow it to run out faster. That and a couple weeks worth of non-perishable food that doesn't require cooking, and a decent shotgun will see the majority through tough times. Like the cockroach, all us humans really need is a livable temperature range, oxygen, food and moisture. Given that, we're usually smart enough to figure out the rest if need be.

- Steve

If I tell you how I have prepared to survive and what I have I would be inundated by scavengers trying to survive. There would be so many trying to STEAL what I so carefully put aside for me to survive I would be hard pressed to survive myself.
It follows, if you post what you have saved and I know it, it will soon be mine, because when I run out I will know where to find more.
Get a grip! Never, never tell anyone how much you have, because soon it will belong to someone else.
I do admire you column and you thinking, but be prepared to defend what you so carefully saved.
Tommy / Sovereign Citizen of the state of Nevada

While my wife Glenda and I have done several things to prepare for disaster, one thing I am doing is storing ice. While growing up in the 1940s and 1950s I heard a lot about ice boxes, and one neighbor had an ice house with thick walls, one foot or more, insulated with saw dust. My grandparents had a small man-made pond beside a stream where they cut ice blocks to put in storage. Now I am experimenting with ice. During cold nights I leave metal cans, gallon size, full of water out to freeze overnight. I am trying different methods of storing the ice and will monitor how well it lasts. My parents told they had ice that would last until July here in the mountains of West Virginia.

Since refrigeration is the one convenience most difficult to replace when the electric grid goes down, I think it is one of the most important places where survivalists should put their focus. Drying and storing food items can also help in this regard.

I'll make it a point to let you know how the ice held out. Right now, Dec 18, we are not worrying about the ice melting. :)


Hi Patrice,

It is best not to share what preparations people have made for themselves. My wife used to tell her friends about my preparations when I started with MREs and guns. However, the subject came out when we would discuss problems in the world and the range of things I thought could happen. Then one day a friend said if things got that bad they’d just come over to our house. I just had to tell them flat out “No you won’t”. If I have a year of food supplies for my wife and I, then that’s just 6 months for us and our 2 adult kids. Then get another couple and their 2 kids and we’re down to 3 months. A few more people and you run out of food in a few weeks. Having said that, we probably actually stock a few years worth of food with the intent of sharing… we just no longer talk about it.

I initially started thinking about survival preparations coming up to Y2K but I didn’t get going until a few years later. And what I’ve done has been layered in starting with the obvious and the less expensive, working up to more self sufficient preparations which are more expensive. My wife and I are now in the process of developing 40 acres 45 minutes north of town with the intent of being as self sufficient as possible. We’re lucking to be able to start with the 40 acres, a well and now a driveway and vacant land to work with. And we’re not trying to hide our property but we’ve not shown all our friends where it is. Especially when some of these friends are the ones that refinanced equity out of their house for trips or toys and are one or two paychecks away from bankruptcy with no preparations.

Mark T.

Hi Patrice:

Felt compelled to drop you a note. I read this week's column on WND, and - honesty compels me to admit - I didn't know who Cassandra was, so followed the link to the other column.

Your report about being teased after Y2K resonated with me. While we were making our preparations - and (unsuccessfully) trying to get others to do likewise - I was working for an automotive supplier as a design checker. My partner and I shared a cubical, and we each had a 16 foot drawing board out in the aisle. The department got a new water cooler, and I allowed the spare jugs of water to be stored under my board. Shortly after we got the cooler, someone walked by and asked what the deal was with all the water. Without missing a beat, my partner said, "Oh, that's Steve's Y2K stash." And everyone had a laugh (including me) at my expense.

When Y2K fizzled, I, too, was subjected to teasing and ridicule. My response was that I couldn't be happier to be wrong.

That has dogged me ever since. A few years ago I had Dr. Woodson's Bird Flu Manual (An EXCELLENT little book, by the way, if you haven't seen it.) I had it sitting on my desk by the aisle. It has BIRD FLU in big, bold letters on the cover. An engineer walked by and stopped. "I remember when you were so hyped up over Y2K." And so we get branded. :)

In you column you asked what other were doing. You already know I expect TEOTWAWKI eventually. Right now we live in town - about 35,000 people. It's still too big and too crowded for me, though. I have been unemployed for four years, now, but our house was paid for before I lost my job, and we are getting by. We are on a large lot by city standards, and my wife - being a Master Gardener - has the yard absolutely stuffed with her garden. But even with all her skills, we could not grow enough for our needs. With our Y2K preps, we did the grain in a 5-gallon bucket thing. Ten buckets support a light garden I built in the basement for her. Eight buckets support a work bench our oldest boy uses for his online business. Half a dozen buckets act as supports for shelves in the basement where we store other things. We buy things in case lots when they go on sale, and a few years ago bough a freezer big enough for me to lie down in. We have a dehydrator, pressure canner, grain mill, a Volcano stove, water filters (We are not far from a small river.) a generator, a small welding torch and lots of fuel and oxygen, garden tools with extra handles, oil lamps, candles, Sterno, lots of extra soap, toothpaste. Being a coffee hound, I even got a campstove coffee maker. :) We have basic first aid supplies, but are still lacking in the "feminine hygiene" category. I keep asking my wife what brands she and our daughter prefer, but can't get a straight answer out of her.

With an eye for rebuilding, if things are devastated by an EMP, I have all the hand engineering tools I would need as industry started rebuilding, but not yet having replaced their CAD computers. I even have a scientific calculator safely tucked away in a Faraday cage.

Yet, with all we are doing, I still feel vulnerable. I am looking at cashing in my IRA - before the government seizes it to bolster Social Security, or hyperinflation renders it worthless - taking a hit on the penalty, and paying cash for a small farm off the beatten path. A member of our church is a realtor, and he has been looking for us. Thus far each place has *something* not quite right.

Well, as usual, this got longer than I intended. I warn whoever will listen, and a few people have taken heed. I have my initial report posted online, and add other articles as I find or write them, plus post links to many of your articles on my Facebook page. I just fear for all the Grasshoppers who really don't think it could happen to them.

Keep sounding the alarm.

- Steve

Hi Patricia. As usual, I loved your common sense article on the WorldNetDaily site this week.

I wrote about preparing for disasters a few years ago on my own blog.

I grew up in the suburbs in Canada, and never really had to think or worry about preparing for anything. When I got married, my husband and I moved to north east Texas. I learned quickly to make a tornado kit, which had everything from flashlight and garbage bags, blanket and water to extra basic first aid stuff and a few canned foods. I kept it in the bathroom.

Our apartment was on the upper floor, and since there were no underground shelters, the bathroom was the safest place to go- as the pipes in the walls and also the tub would be stronger than an outside wall in withstanding tornado winds. I kept that pack ready and stocked the three years I lived there. We had a plan of where to meet if we were separated when and if a tornado came. Thankfully, while we did get some major storms and a few tornadoes close by, we were never hit badly. I am glad though, that even though we never had to use it- we had the kit ready.

When we moved to Florida, I did the same thing for hurricane season.

I am re married now, ten years later, and still have extra batteries, a working radio, gallon jugs of water, canned foods, first aid and hand sanitizer things stored for every summer. Enough for our family and neighbors.

We were prepared when we were hit by Hurricane Charlie (although we didn't have a generator at that time) but we were able to last 3 days with no electricity and lack of store items such as water.

We were better when we got hit the year later with Wilma.

While government does try to help, as we saw with Katrina, not all the local, state and fed government can get their acts together, so it is best, if you care about your family and friends, to be prepared for your family! If someone prepares with the mind set that government will not help (or be able to) and do your own work, anyone can survive a couple of weeks after any kind of disaster.

Even if government does help out after, it is still good to have your own stock, so to avoid the long lines of people waiting for the basic necessities. Have them stocked yourself, and rotate them for freshness as needed.

Water, 1 gallon per person per day, and enough canned food for at least 3 days is basic.

I hope this helps. Thanks Patricia for an excellent article, and the chance for us to add our own experiences! God Bless~

- Carolyn E.

Patrice, you paint a grim but accurate picture. Black Fridays just ought not to be. It is an affront to our Thanksgiving. We see avarice and covetousness rampant in these sales and it bodes no good toward any peace and tranquility,

I have long been aware how our politically correct government has been setting the stage for riots and destruction by its "civil rights" which are neither civil nor rights. How, by entitlement it has been spoiling our future generations that, when our economy collapses under the weight of misguided compassion, they will riot. There will be a pulling apart rather that a pulling together. These things ought not to be but they are.

Through global warming hype the government is pushing so called green jobs and enterprises that are not commercially viable. Sooner or later the power grid will go down with no hope of repair. That will bring everything to a screeching halt. The Cities have very short term supplies in them so, even at the best, they can only last a few days but water will not be available through the plumbing.

I don't need to go on with this panorama for you well understand the consequences. The enemy is not government but the application of government. Government is a necessity for order and and agreement but is is not a source of livelihood.


Hi Patrice.

It is only because of the pending disaster I've been hearing about since 1993 that I have done the following:

1. Bought a house and paid it off (also no car payments)
- stored all paperwork of proof the mortgage is paid in a locking file cabinet
2. I carry no significant debt, only small credit card debt that is paid off quickly.
3. Purchased a 1-year supply of long-term storeable food.
4. Purchased a variety of gold and silver over the last fifteen years
5. Pulled a significant amount of cash out of the bank
6. Bought a heavy safe to contain gold, silver, ammo and extra cash
7. Saved several 2-liter bottles, other jugs and filled them with water
8. Am currently making needed repairs to the house while I can, updated the hot water heater and furnace a couple years ago, so I know where I stand with these two major appliances.
9. Stockpiling at least one item to barter with that does not have a short shelf life, should there be a need to barter.
10. Networking with few others in the know, so that we are on the same page
11. Get a lock where ever it's useful in the house. Also have locking gas caps on both cars, though they have locking doors to the caps as well. The extra layer of security is worth the hassle of carrying another key.

There may be some other things I have done to prepare, but they aren't coming readily to mind.

Regards, Andy

Dear Patrice,

As a reluctant resident of Seattle, and one who generally does not watch TV or
go near a mall, I read your blog post (linked from Survivalblog) with great
interest. I am every bit as appalled by the mentality of those desperate
shoppers as you. I have been witness to the thin veneer, and it is a scary

I have been concerned over the degradation of our society for a long time, and
living in the land of liberals as I do, have felt very alone in that context.
Many of my friends have no idea of my true beliefs. Those who do feel we need a
secret handshake. When I discovered JWR's web site sometime last year, and some
of the destinations it led me to, I started to realize there are more of us than
I knew out there, but we are still a tiny fraction of the populace. The rest
are fat and happy, just the way the bureaucrats want them. When it all goes
down and the nanny state isn't there to nurse them, they will become fat and

Anyway, you asked what folks have done to prepare, so I thought I'd drop you a

I have been preparing in several different ways, trying hard to prioritize
sensibly given my circumstances and what I have in the way of time and
resources. It seems overwhelming at times.

Little by little I have been shifting my investments out of stocks and into
cash. Last year I bought a fair amount of silver and a small amount of gold, to
stash away in the event we experience a collapse of the dollar. I also have a
few thousand in paper greenbacks in case we encounter a situation (EMP attack or
other) where currency is still valid but credit/debit cards are of no use.

I have been building a stockpile of firearms and ammunition, also a little at a
time. I have a decent assortment of rifles, shotguns, and pistols, and 10,000
plus rounds of ammunition, common calibers so good for barter as well as my own
use. I go to the range frequently and have become a pretty good shot with all
types. Next month I am taking a defensive handgun course, and will follow with
unarmed self defense.

I have stockpiled enough food to feed myself and my daughters for at least 6
months, and continue to build up. Much of that is freeze dried. Some canned,
some bulk like rice, sugar, oatmeal, etc. I plan soon to buy a grinder and
start stockpiling wheat. I also have MREs, jerky, power bars, etc. My
assortment could be better but for now it will do. I have about 50 gallons of
water stored, and the ability to filter and purify if needed. I own several
camp stoves and a fair amount of white gas for same. I am stocking up on seeds.

I bought a kerosene heater last year, and keep abut 20 gallons of kerosene on
hand. I also have several kerosene lanterns and several candle lanterns, with
lots of spare candles. I never allow my (auto) gas tank to go below 50%, and I
keep 30 gallons of gas on hand (stabilized). I have been building inventories
of things like toilet paper and soap.

I am an avid outdoor recreationalist, so have a large selection of gear - packs,
tents, sleeping bags, thermal clothing, snowshoes, ropes, saws, knives,
hatchets, etc. I have been in the outdoors all my life and feel very
comfortable in the wilderness. I have taken a few intensive wilderness first
aid courses, plus swiftwater rescue. I have hunting and fishing skills. I have
good orientation skills and a significant collection of topo maps for the
region. I'm in my 50s, and stay active, fit and healthy.

I have a considerable library on preparedness but will continue to add to it.
My job these days is administrative, however I am a skilled mechanic. I
understand engines, pumps, and mechanical systems of all kinds. I am a skilled
welder and metal fabricator. I also know how to run a business. I am a good
writer, good with people, and understand matters financial. In other words I
have useful and marketable skills for a variety of scenarios.

Of course most of these preparations will be meaningless if the Golden Horde
gets turned loose and I am stuck in this city. My home is not what I would call
defensible, certainly not without several (reliable and skilled) fellow
defenders, which I do not have.

I have been researching for a year or so, and have decided the Idaho Panhandle
is my place. I had considered NE Oregon, the Olympic Peninsula, NE Washington,
Central Idaho (Salmon area) and N. Idaho. For various reasons I have chosen N.
Idaho. I am looking at properties there now, and hope to buy one very soon (for
cash). Once I have a house there and some land, I can focus on shifting some of
my preparation efforts there rather than here. Due to financial circumstances I
do not expect to be able to leave Seattle before a few more years have passed.
But I can begin the process now.

As far as bugging out, I have put that till last. No point in being prepared to
bug out without a bug out destination. Most of the preparations I described
above have been done just in the last year. So even though I know I have far to
go, I think I've been doing okay. I am concerned that if things ever happen
very fast and without warning, there are only a few routes out of Seattle, and
only 2 over the Cascades (3 in summer). So there will be many choke points for
bad guys to prey on those trying to make an exit. Rather than fret too much
about that now I have focused instead of doing what I can to prepare, knowing
there will be problems to solve as I go along, but that shouldn't stop forward

I continue to read, think, learn and prepare, quietly and discreetly trying to
share with those who are interested - most are not.

I only discovered your blog today but I can tell I will be a frequent visitor.

D. in Seattle


  1. Hi Patrice,

    I appreciate your efforts to encourage folks to prepare. It can't be said often enough.

    One thing I'd like to mention is about standby power. Theoretically, it seems like a good idea to get a generator and enough fuel to keep it running for an extended period of power outage during an emergency.

    But, here's the reality of it. When the savages begin to make their way out of the devastated, wasted urban areas looking for booty in the countryside their prime targets are going to be any homes that have lights on and a generator running.

    In a survival situation one should only run the generator very occasionally to cool down the fridge and freezer, until the spoilable food is eaten up, and then run not hardly at all.

    Also, some would need to run the generator enough to top off water storage tanks if they are dependent on well water provided by electric water pumps.

    But, beyond that, running a generator for lighting, or heating or cooling, when everyone else around them is dark is like telling the savages, "Here I am. Come get me!"

    Ideally, one could setup a generator so that it runs inside a sound-proof building (providing air intake and muffled exhaust, of course) for the bare necessities as I mentioned above. But, don't dare run it at night to provide lighting, or you'll just become a magnet to the savages.

    Patrice, I thought your comparison between the Black Friday shoppers and the "Golden Horde" was very apt, and it should be a wakeup call to all us preparers. If the Obama hits the fan, it ain't going to be pretty. This is a completely different world and culture from the first Great Depression. There is no civility, there will be no rules, and we can't count on the LEOs to protect us.

    Best bet is to be as inconspicuous as possible to stay below the savages' radar. Failing that, we need to be prepared to protect our families. Enough said.


  2. Rule one: You cannot prepare for every eventuality.
    Rule two: You CAN prepare to be prepared.

    If you have not heard of the Rule of Threes, it is an extremely useful tool for knowing how to respond to an emergency/crisis.

    You can survive:
    - three seconds without blood
    - three minutes without breath
    - three hours without heat (varies really)
    - three days without water
    - three weeks without food
    - three months without shelter

    So, fighting over water in the face of an oncoming hurricane may not be the best use of your time and energy. Physical security first. Make sure you are not skewered by whatever is "blowin' in the wind" or drowned by storm surge. After that it is a case of picking up the pieces and using your preparation to be prepared.

    Most of that preparation is mental. Think ahead. Ask yourself all the "what if" questions you can think of. Come up with answers. Much of it revolves around the first lines of the Rule of Threes. If you can get to the point where you are looking for water, you will probably survive.

    You may not be comfortable, but you will live. I'd rather live with some discomfort than die comfortably.

  3. My preparations revolve around earthquakes, for the most part. In no particular order:

    1)A wrench is kept near the natural gas line so the natural gas can be shut off if a major quake strikes.

    2)No pictures, paintings, or anything else hangs on the walls over the beds. Nothing worse than to have a quake strike while you're sleeping and the picture of great grandma falls off the wall, hits you in the head, and kills you. Believe it, objects falling from walls can be lethal during a quake.

    3)Each room in the house has a Triangle of Life. This is an area near some sturdy, low piece of furniture that will provide a degree of protection from falling ceiling materials, roof joists, or walls. The idea is to crouch near the Triangle of Life object until the shaking stops - then crawl out. I practice getting to the safe area within each room. During a major tremor, however, it is sometimes not possible to walk or even crawl to safety. Sometimes you just have to stop, drop, and roll to a safe area.

    3)My BOB is located in a storage shed so that if the house collapses, I can still get to the bag and have some emergency supplies at hand. If the shed collapses, it is small and therefore relatively easy to rummage through the rubble to get to the BOB.

    4)Tall pieces of furniture are secured to wall studs so they will be less likely to topple over.

    In addition to these earthquake-specific preparations, I have enough food and water on hand to last 3 months. (That amount will be doubled in January.) My vehicle has a GOOD kit in it at all times. My garage has lots of hand tools, camping gear, and sanitation supplies stored in it. I even bought a small tent this summer so I would have a portable shelter, besides the SUV.

    There's more, but for the sake of OpSec, I won't go into details.

    Preparations used to be commonplace in America. It's time we took a look back and learned from our ancestors. Being prepared should be a no-brainer.

    Anonymous Patriot

  4. Patrice,

    If possible, do you think you could get in touch with "Steve" and let him know that there is an absolutely wonderful feminine hygiene product that would save his family quite a bit of money? It's a cup that goes inside the body and catches rather than absorbs what flows. It's totally reusable and can be used for years. No more buying boxes of products every couple of months! Yay for me!

    If his wife and daughter are interested, they can just search for "menstrual cups" on the Internet. Different sorts of products will come up. I use the Keeper Cup (made of rubber latex). I know someone else who uses the Diva Cup (made of silicone). There are still plenty of other versions as well.

    Because he and his family are trying to be prepared, I might suggest getting two for each of the ladies in his life. I'm sure the cup that they use will last a long time, but two wouldn't hurt. Granted, the cups my friend and I have cost about $40 each, but the upfront amount is such a wise investment.

    Hope this helps!!! By the way, I love your blog!


  5. Kandis, I'm sure you're right but I'm a little partial toward my friend Enola Gay's homemade reusable hygiene products ( I don't particularly like inserting foreign things into my body that aren't (cough) made to be there, so I prefer the napkins. (Sorry guys, this is probably a little more detail than you needed to know...)

    - Patrice

  6. Yes Patrice that was too much information but it was on topic so you are forgiven!. But my comments are at the general tone of the posts on this subject. There are two schools of thought here.
    By far the most popular seems to the "I don't wants anyone to know what I have" which I agree has it benefits, FYI Ted Kacynski's cabin site is for sale in Montana, in my opinion this attitude is to separate yourself from society.
    The other school seems to be this is whay I am doing.. any suggestions? This seems to be the type that would form a community to survive. I think I know which group I would like to encourage as neighbors.
    Personally my thoughts have changed from a "I have a gun I'll get what I need" mentality to a more bug in mindset. I am willing to SHARE I am not a CHARITY.


  7. What I have to say has already kind of been said in various ways, but I as horrified reading early on about a wife telling her friend about all their preparations.

    This will not be a game, people.

    The SINGLE most important rule of Security is to keep the fact that there IS a secret a secret!!

    Do not tell ANYone you have ANYthing hidden ANYwhere!!!!

    Savages -- especially if you have loved ones -- will have you giving them a guided tour in less than two minutes. And then they will rape and kill you anyway.

    Bill Smith

  8. I have suggested to a number of friends and family members that they need to start 'disaster proofing' their families. Fairly frequently I have run into the "Hahaha, we don't need to prepare, we'll just come to your house" reaction from some of these people. (I always wonder why those people think that laughing makes their attempt to loot and/or mooch more acceptable...) My response is "Hahaha, don't show up at my place without an invitation. And you don't have one."

    Reactions at that point vary considerably. Sometimes I gently point out that I've made preparation for a wide variety of disaster, and don't they think I've prepared for uninvited visitors? That usually shuts that sort up, but some ask me, "Oh, you wouldn't shoot *me*, would you?"

    "Aren't you much better off never finding out the answer to that question? If you want to be invited, better be ready to carry your share of the load."

    And while lots of folks know that I am generally prepared, no single person knows the nature, extent, or location of my preps.

  9. I live in the suburbs on West Coast and would love to take my family to Idaho or Texas but its not feasible at this time. So we decided to hunker down and prepare for the worst. As a veteran peace officer, the first thing I did was evaluate the security of my house. I had a burglar alarm installed, upgraded all door locks to be bumper proof, installed wrought iron security doors, installed two security surveillance cameras and will add more, taught my wife and children how to use a shotgun, rifle and handgun. After the passing of my mastiff, I bought a working German Shepherd pup from German/Czech bloodlines. He's a great watchdog and with training will make a great protection dog. I plan to get another Czech GSD or get an Anatolian Shepherd.

    I also have Operation Security (OPSEC) rules for the family such as never to answer/open the front door to strangers including police. We make sure that all vehicles have a full tank of gas and when the fuel gauge shows half its time to refuel. I have stopped talking to family and friends about prepping a few years ago as it was just a waste of time. I will only share info when asked and now direct them to books and websites.

    We have dedicated an extra room for food (human and pet) storage, medicines and paper goods. There is a lot more work to be done as getting trained in emergency medicine, canning, gardening and other skills.

    I believe tough times are coming and in certain states and cities there will be riots and chaos. I think people need to be fit, strong and healthy and very important to incorporate an exercise routine that includes weights, pushups, pull-ups. I am not a fan of running but walking, hiking, bike riding are excellent replacements.

  10. To Steve,

    What is a Volcano stove? I'd be interested in reading what you have bolgged on the internet.


    As always, I love your posts. I actually canned cheese yesterday using Enola's post as a guideline. I also found a recipe for canning soft "Cheez Whiz" style cheese using Velveeta, so I canned that as well yesterday. Today I picked up chicken breasts on sale and will can them. Just doing what we can do to be as prepared as possible. Do you or your readers have a guideline to follow to use as a checklist to have an idea of what we have, and what we might need? I feel like we're not near enough prepared, but my list seems like it's missing some things.


  11. Save the Canning JarsDecember 19, 2010 at 2:38 PM

    To Rose:

    Should you make your own checklist or modify someone else's list, you might want to think about adding SOS pads to that. I can't imagine scrubbing pots and pans without one. I made sure to buy enough for one/day x 1 year. So many other items are obvious, some are not. Think about what you consume in one week, then multiply it by the number of weeks you are trying to plan for. No one's list will look exactly the same.

  12. To Save the Canning Jars,

    Good advice, thank you. I've tried looking at lists like the one from LDS, but I don't buy food in #10 cans, etc, so I have a hard time judging what we would need. But I think you are right, I should keep, say, a 2 week journal, and then come up with a storage plan that will sustain us. And yes, I did buy some SOS pads! : )


  13. Ottar, some of us don't want to divulge all of our plans online because we prefer to be charitable when we choose to be, not when we are forced to be. We want to decide who gets some of our stores, rather than have our stores stolen from us...especially if done so through forceable means. Do you see there is a big difference?

    Do you tell everybody how much money you have in your savings account? Probably not. Do you tell them which bank your money is in? Probably not. Same thing, in my personal opinion. I didn't see you explain what you have done for preparations, you have prepared haven't you? If so, care to tell us everything you've done?

    Please don't judge us just because we choose to keep some information private. That's our right. As for forming a community, that will be difficult where I live because there are far more takers than planners. I invite you to move here and see for yourself. Most of the residents of this town expect the government to save them from every evil that comes their way. The sad fact is, they are the root of the evil in many instances. There are some very good people here, spread far and wide, and I hope I can connect with them to work together when the time comes.

    To equate Ted Kacynski's ("The Unibomber") isolation with our prudence is unjustified and uninformed.

    Anonymous Patriot

  14. To: LMWatBullRun

    Oh my word! We're related...I just know it! Those crazy relatives of yours are MY crazy relatives too! They are only preparing to take their next bi-monthly, out of state vacation.
    Prepare by putting up food? No.

    Funny how the ones bragging that they are out spending their children's inheritance are also planning for the same children to care for them when the SHTF!

    They desire to be the patriarchs of the family and want to know why we don't ask for their advice. Could it be we see NO WISDOM in them? Have they ever said hard times are coming and we kids should stock up and get out of debt? No, it's us telling THEM, so they go out to dinner again and again and again and plan for Florida in the weeks ahead.

    I wonder if you are as frustrated with them as I am? So how do we act at Christmas when we're around them? Just let them waste money in front of us, chit chat about meaningless topics, and laugh like we're having a good time?

    Or do we suggest that they pull their heads out of their rears and look at the economy and how we are loosing our freedoms?

    But maybe I WILL ask their advice...ask where they think we should bury them when the crisis is over? Think that would wake them up?

    I doubt it.

    Guess I'll just smile and talk fluff when I'm around them this week, then go home and scream.

  15. As more people come on-board, the very real issue of using an alternative heating/cooking source is all too apparent. Depending upon the weather or OPSEC-conditions, by necessity some of the cooking and probably all the heating needs will have to come indoors. That said, everyone should be safe by buying and using a Carbon-Monoxide/CO detector, battery-powered and portable, using this with adequate ventilation, and having sufficient fire surpression materials, will save lives ''maybe your own.''

  16. Today I mixed up kimchi and it is fermenting quietly in the pantry. I bought 50 pounds of rice last week and repackaged it this morning in 2 liter bottles.I have some squash in my pantry as well...waiting for dinner plans on the 25th. (I am going to stuff them with sausage and bake them)
    Bread was baked today and served with beef stew for dinner...everything made from scratch.
    This is not unusual in my house...and I do think that is the key! Being a "prepper" is not about suddenly plowing every cent into "beans and bullets", it is about living it every day! We live within city limits here, but far enough out that we have goats and chickens, as do many of our neighbors. Almost everyone in our neighborhood has at least a quarter acre lot...ours is a little over an acre. I can only think of a couple of residents that are not self-sufficient---and if it hits the fan, they will be pressured out due to their drug/alcohol habits.
    The men in this neighborhood have already had a few casual meetings about emergency situations and what we will do here.
    If we have to hunker down and stay here, we are prepared sufficiently---but I do not stop prepping just because we have supplies for X amount of weeks or months! I continue to prep and hone my skills and teach others that are interested.
    Preparation is continuous.